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Hello all!  I have a question about games made by the "Sachen" company.  What are these games usually considered in the NES collecting community?  I have two of them, a BINGO 75 and then a "4-IN-1" which has four different, uh, nudie type games on it. (Bingo 75, Lucky 777, Honey Peach, Chess Academy).  The Bingo 75 by itself, I do see from time to time on ebay but I have never seen another 4-in-1 Sachen cart.  

Would these usually be put in the same category as the pirate multi-carts (which I also have two of) or something else?  Whatever the case, the Sachen games are a nice addition to my NES collection, I just don't know much about their history.

BTW, if you haven't played Honey Peach before and get the chance, it's a pretty neat little game.  Like strip Rock, Paper, Scissors.  :laugh:

I would put them in the pirate category. I scanned a few of the Sachen game for this site but have not up loaded them yet because we dont have a section for them.

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Yep , tynstar scanned my 2 Sachen games :) There is a guy on DP and he sellls on ebay called nesgod and he knows alot about them. I personally dont know too much about them.

By the , are you the same guy who I was talking to over at dp this morning ?  ;)

Considering that they were coded for NTSC sets and we don't have the rampant pirate scene that they have in Asia, I think that these were initially produced to be sold in the US.  I've had a couple of theories aboiut these, and the one that makes the most sense to me is that Sachen was going to try a strategy similar to what Zellers did for the Atari 2600.  

The only problem was that Nintendo was a lot more sue happy than Atari ever was and that scared them off a little bit.  I think from that point on, the companies product was bought by mom and pop game stores that heard about them through word of mouth.

Mind you I don't have any evidence to back up my theory, but it seems to make sense to me.

It's me.  Thanks for the link by the way, the site is nice and I am starting to add to the "My Collection".  That will help out for trades and such....and to keep track myself.  I still have to get my NES and Atari games in there so I'm a little ways off yet.

I consider the sachens to be shady pirate carts. AFAIK, they were never sold in USA stores anywhere, but imported well after the demise of the system - a nice oddity to have on your shelf, but considering how shitty most of the sachen titles are...yeah, I don't count em.

That's right!  I totally forgot that they made other games besides the "Adult" titles.  

I had a while a ago, 75 KILOS of pirated Famicom games.

is Sachen really considered pirate? wouldn't they just be considered another unliscensed company like Color Dreams or Camerica?

I know Sachen is Taiwan based, manufactured all their own carts and sold them primarily in Europe. They also sold a few of their games to other unliscensed companies like AVE and HES.

One of the games I scanned was called Thunder Blaster Man or something like that and it was a rip off of Mega Man so I would call it a pirate.

Are the adult titles like Honey Peach and Bingo 75 originals?  What I mean is, are they just a hack of something else that I don't know of or did Sachen actually program these?

1) Wtf, that quote code is all messed.
2) They are in dp's newest database.
Also: Re: Piracy: IIRC, sachen had VERY few original games. 9/10 of their output was a hack.

I'm not familiar with Sachen's games. I'd say if they are hacks that would qualify them as pirates and shouldn't be included in a database. the originals should qualify, or should they be left out all together since a majority of their games are hacks?

They're games people can own. I do think we should add them somehow.  Maybe a special 'hack' category besides the region categories.

Use Marks Flag and do a Pirate section.

@ Kamino that code was all F'ed up because i deleted one of the brackets at the end.

there you go, and we can use your little pirate flag.

Yeah, good idea. We can use the pirate flag.

You know, I was thinking that maybe we could use the pirate flag for games like this.

The Sachen games usually bring up the same type of debates that the Atari Beagle Bros. games do.  It is very hard to put them in thier own category.  I personally do consider them part of the US NES collection, but that's just because they seem like a fun thing to have.

I think that we have come to the conclusion that using the pirate flag would be a good idea ? :P

aye matey, harrrrr!

I think that original titles and ONLY original titles should be in with NES releases... If they were readily available to the general public (if only by mail order). Pirate games should have their own catagory and of course, use the flag cause it rocks hard.

Pirate games should be listed under the system they play on but put them with the Pirate Flag as its region code. If the game was made for and is playabl on that system it should be in that systems release list.

I have a list of Sachen games, but the only reason it has not been added to the database is it is such a shady area of whether or not they count as part of the regular library.  I would consider them as such, for several of the same reasons as Sauza.  However, I realize that not all collectors would agree, and for some very valid reasons.  I think what will ultimately happen is the titles will be assigned a new type category other than the "S" (for "software") that most games have.  Perhaps a U will be used for "unconventional" or something of the sort.  This would allow users to differentiate in the searches and collection script whether or not they want titles like this displayed.  I may also use this for stuff like Neo Geo Freak releases, and perhaps even move the Beagle Boys/Zellers games over to this category too.

While the pirate flag idea may seem cool, it probably won't happen.  Most pirate games were still released in specific regions, so they will retain that region code and the flag to go with it.

Awwww

You could still use the P for Pirate instead of U for Unconventional though.

There were some GBC games released without Nintendos liscense. I am pretty sure it was by the same company who makes gameshark. (Brain isn't functioning so don't remember who that is...,)