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From Nintendo's official site:



http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=9594f668-5342-4b38-8eb1-d6bf479c4139&page=other

I can't wait...

I can.  If what I keep hearing about a controller that is all motion detected, I really am not very interested.  Oh, and I really don't get Nintendo's obsession with microphones.  Blowing into a DS to play a game is way too weird for me.  Even if the motion sensory stuff is done really well, the average gamer is not ready for that.  Unless Nintendo reveals something really big (been waiting on that since N64, so it's unlikely), I don't see the Revolution competing with Xbox 360....  at least not here (EDIT: here meaning the USA - Japan may be a different story).   Think of the average Madded PS2 player.  He's not going to want to play football with a microphone and waving his hands around.  I highly doubt EA will be interested in that either.

At least they finally got their heads out of their butts and added internet play.  It doesn't interest me personally, but the industry has been going that direction (in a mainstream way) since 1999.

I guess stranger things have happened than something like the Revolution doing well.  There was that whole Channel F thing.

i dont know... i've been reading very strange things about the revolution.  stuff with holograms and 3D shit.  crazy ass controllers like mike said.  internet out of the box... getting connected to the  without thinking about it.  

the revolution is shrouded in mystery.  

it may be the nintendo fanboy in me, but i have a feeling that nintendo wont be competing with sony or MS this time around.  but that sony and MS will be trying to catch up to nintendo.  

but like mike also said... we have been waiting since N64.  at least we know it will use DVD disks.  thats nice i guess... and late.

this news from nintendo came out after the release that the revolution would use DVD format.



does 12cm optical disk not mean DVD?  
anyone heard if sony still plans on using that Blu-Ray stuff?

Well, 12 cm is the physical size of a DVD, but that doesn't mean it is a DVD.  CD's and GD's (Dreamcast format) are the same size, but both are formatted differently.  The way they say "its own 12cm optical disks" hints to me that it is a proprietary format....  though that could be wrong if they have said officially elsewhere that it is a DVD.  Time will tell I guess.

i'm sure that you have been seeing the same reports on gamesarefun.com as i have.
i just thought that i saw a release say that DVD format would be used.
also saw something that hinted that PS3 is not using blu-ray.

who knows... its fun to speculate tho.  ;)

found this also:  http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=118586

NOA VP of corporate affairs on revolution... the size and how sleek it will be...  DVD play back... wireless...

come on E3

Everyone, meet Revolution. Revolution, say hello.

Specs of Revolution from Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/17/news_6125078.html)

-Tiny, as seen in the picture.
-2 to 3 times more powerful than the GC
-Games are on DVD-ROMs, and is backwards compatible with the GC
-Plays DVD Movies
-System is wi-fi out of the box
-Wireless Controllers
-512 MB Flash Memory. expandable with two SD slots
-Online play
-Entire Collection of Nintendo Games available over online service

2 to 3 times more powerful than the GC doesn't sound very powerful at all. I guess Nintendo thinks they don't need much power to make good games.

Woah woah woah.  Entire collection of Nintendo games available via online?  Surely you are saying all games for Revolution will have online capabilities and not what I think you said.

P.S.  That "2 to 3 times more powerful" hogwash does seem like a pretty stupid move by Nintendo.  They could beef it up more just to stay on the same technological playing field as Sony and Microsoft, so their version of multi-platform games isn't always the worst.

P.P.S.  Using DVD's as the storage format also seems stupid, because Sony and Microsoft will both be using standards that have a MUCH higher capacity.  This is kind of like using cartridges one console generation too late.

I see we are too quick too judge a system before the games come out to play.

Or I'm just saying that Nintendo could help themselves out by at least TRYING to make a system that looks good to both real gamers and tech-savvy people.  Nintendo 64 was a great system, but let's face it - they did themselves in by limiting themselves with cartridges.  When on the first day a new system is revealed, people like Perrin Kaplan are saying, "It's not all about having 'turbo power,' it's about what you do with it," that is going to look really bad to the average casual uninformed gamer, and all of the tech geeks too.

I'm not judging the console here.  Rather, I'm judging Nintendo's PR.

I agree with what Mike is saying. I really hope they don't shoot them selves in the foot again.

It does look cooler then the PS3

i kinda thought that nintendo was further along in their new console than they appear to be.
that image up there is only a prototype that will get smaller.
were is the 'revolution' part?
prolly has something to do with a gay ass controller... i hope that i am wrong tho.

that online plan sounds nice so far... but they really havent said much at all.
online library is big plus, WI FI, free service is cool.

but were are the specs for the system and this damn 'revolution'?!?!?!
makes me crazy... nintendo and this stupid shit.

ps i also agree with what mike is saying

this has nothing to do with revolution, just too lazy to open a new topic.

that new zelda trailer looks kick ass!  a wolf!   my man link turns into a wolf!!!!!!!
i love it.  the little guy (girl?) that rides him in wolf for looks scary tho.

nice name btw... thanks nintendo

video:http://gaf.hiddengalaxy.net/games/gamecube/zelda05/zeldae32005.mov

thanks:www.gamesarefun.com

The video link doesnt work.

I almost shit myself when I heard that Super Smash Bros. 3 is going to be a launch title.  That pretty much gaurantees that I will pick up a revolution on launch day.

Ditto, I can't wait to kick some ass other than that of TheEvilLeon's

Do you also shit yourself every day the sun rises? You almost make it seem as if you didn't expect Nintendo to make a sequal to a popular franchise.

:laugh:
Funniest line I've heard in a while.

I assumed that someday they would release another Smash Bros., but I was more excited that it was going to be a launch title.  Besides, I've been waiting 3 years for another Smash Bros. to come around, so just the news that it is on the horizon is bowel spilling enough.

Plus Super Smash Bros. 3 will be online, which is very, very cool.

I love the idea of what Nintendo is doing here. The whole gaming industry needs an innovative overhaul, and I pray that the Revolution is just that.  I'll be buying it no matter what though, as well as maybe a PS3 depending on if it's backwards compatible or not.

What I really would like to see is Sega re-enter the console market.  Dreamcast was such an amazing system...

Don't hold your breath on Sega.  I'd love that too, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.  I guess you could cross your fingers for PS3 and Xbox 360 to both flop like the CD-i, and then continue crossing your fingers for new Sega, NEC, SNK, and Nintendo consoles.  Of course the day before they all release the Earth will explode, so we won't get to play any of them.

Time to bring this thread back to the dead...

Controller has been revealed, looks like a remote control, acts like a freespace mouse, tilt feature, trigger button, lots of A&B buttons, no analog stick on controller, but there are peripherals, one of which is an analog stick add-on.

To find pictures and more information, go to any major gaming portal.

OK if that remote is the controller for the new system, it is offical I hate Nintendo. What a nasty piece of shit. How can that be comfortable to hold ofr a long time? I am pissed. If that is the controller I wont be getting the "Revonlution" until the the price drops to $50 bucks.

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK NINTENDO!!!!!!!!  :-/

The revolution really didnt appeal to me much before. This is by far the stupidest thing nintendo has ever done. I think the virtual boy probably sounded better at brainstorm meetings when it was being developed. Before this nintendos best killer app for this system keep in mind could be done with a modded xbox. If they thought this would get the casual gamers to come in by the hordes I think they have lost any business sense they may have once had.

Nintendo's new slogan:

"Nintendo the house of Gimmicks!"

While I am kind of shocked by this announcement in terms of the appearance of the controller, I don't believe I'll be willing to count my chickens until all aspects of the system have been shown. We can comment on and on about how gimmicky the controller appears to be, but for all we know the developers could be gung ho behind this design, and there could be a lot of novel games to come out. On the other hand, developers could be so turned off by this controller that the Revolution is dead right out of the water. I think that once games begin to be revealed for the system, and people are seen playing the games that perhaps we will have a better appreciation or disappreciation for the system.

One question comes to mind though, and that is how the hell do you play SNES or N64 games? I'm sure in the coming months that question will be answered, but for the time being we are left in the dark.

For those too lazy to visit a major gaming portal, below is a photo.

I refuse to believe that this is going to be the controller for the Revolution.  I absolutley refuse.  I don't care what proof you throw into my face.  Miyamoto himself could knock on my door and give me a demonstration of the controller and I wouldn't believe it.  In fact I'm going to stop believing in this topic.

wow anyone thank CD-I when they see that controller

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651304p1.html
"Game control is essential - it's the area where perhaps the most game-play improvement can be made," said John Schappert, Sr. Vice President and General Manager of Electronic Arts Canada. "While our portfolio represents a full array of titles across all genres, I think our sports titles might be the first to immediately take advantage of what this novel 'freehand' type of control has to offer."

my thing about this controller if it is a backwards compatible how in gods green earth do you play the N64 games?

The system being backwards compatible not the controller ... you know what I mean

The controller itself has a port which allows you to plug perepherials into.  The article made it seem like it comes with an analog joystick.

For NES games, I guess you just turn the controller 90 degrees and it's basically a NES control pad. :girl:

Wow ! That controller...... Well I think I just vomited a little in my mouth. :yuck:

Is this a joke? This can't be serious.

I like it.

I hope they where looking for a response. To see what epoepl would think if it was like that.

As for that port on the bottom that means your going to have to buy a convertor for each of the controllers(SNES, N64, GCN) that you will want to play.
AND you are going to have to pay for the dloads of the cart based games.
Hopefully all the games will be like a dime or less  to dload.
yea thats wishful thinking...


Also this caught me eye

Yea definately Nintendo you are the revoluitionary champs of the world. There was never a 1 handed controller ever before in the history of gaming.

Um, no.



Also, it's just speculation to say that you can't plug in your old joysticks without paying for an adaptor.  It's just as likely there will be either another solution or free adaptors.

Not to start an argument or anything!   :ninja:

That controller is so weird looking...I have no idea what to say...it's so...bizarre...I don't know if it will be good or not, but regardless...what were you thinking, Nintendo...?

Actually thanks for giving me the heads up on the free dloading :)
That is the much cooler |D

In anycase in order to plug in one of the old controllers you would have to buy a converter of some sort because the lpug on the bottmo looks like a plug similair to my moms cellphone charger.

Unless the adapter(s) are sold with the system.
Or i am still not getting somerhing....

Teaser Trailer makes it seem more interesting and less frightening than originally seen.

The "Zelda" demo and "Metroid Prime" demo were by far the most interesting parts of the teaser. I would say that the way the guy was playing Zelda was pretty cool, though will people really want to make those of motions to play games? Time shall tell.

Teaser Trailer can be found on IGN, for those who want to view it.

Not surprisingly, there is a traditional controller peripheral...

"Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on?

Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded."

Iz, you're being sarcastic, right? Light guns and paddles have been around from the beginning. And let's not forget the track ball...

Yea that was extreme sarcasm.

This realy isn't revolutionary they just improved on mostly failed ideas.
Just like the DS did.(touch screen, microphone, etc.)

That did pretty damn good though so Revolution probably will too.

They did pretty well with the microphone on the Famicom too.

Since someone on another forum didn't believe that there where other 1 handed controllers out there i had to make a stand.
Here are the ones i found doing a generic one handed controller search on yahoo.

I had never known about the 2 PS2 controllers until about 20  minutes ago.

Other one handed controllers:

PS2
http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/onehanded-ps2-controller-021028.php
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-e-70-4sc.html
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=14&products_id=3040

PS
http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:ASCII%20Grip%20-%20One-Handed%20Controller%20Accessory:1951013446;_ylc=X3oDMTB2djJlbzU1BF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawN2Z2FtZXM-
http://www.ncsx.com/2004/ncs062104/shs_558.htm (looks like the ASCII one)

SNES/Genesis
http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/gripit.html

Graphics mean nothing.

Nintendo has once again proved to be the innovator.  And in my eyes, that makes them worth something.  I just wish Sega was here...

Anyway, the Revolution is the only new gen system that seems even a bit appealing to me.  The Xbox 360 has 0 games that intrest me, just like the Xbox.  Besides that, it's filled with junk that I'm never going to use and I don't much care about online gaming.

As for the PS3, nothing seems appealing yet, except MGS4, which lost a lot of my excitiment when I found out that Snake and Otacon both look like child molesters.

The controller really is a great idea though.  I cannot wait to get my hands around it.

Lmao just so everyone knows what he means about mgs4

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/imgs_1.html

And to bring it back to topic...

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8857/understandingtherevolutioncont.jpg)

That shell you put the controller doesnt help much for me. I didnt like the Game Cube controller all that much.

I watched the video for the new controller and that didnt help me like it at all. Oh well  :-/

I didn't see any priest in those pictures.  :P

Well, they said that they shell would look like a mainstream controller such as the Gamecube's. However, that does not imply that the shell will actually look like a GameCube controller. Given the fact that the Revolution has controller ports for the Gamecube controller, I would not be surprised if the traditional controller shell appeared to look like like a hybrid of a Gamecube and SNES controller. But that is just me, and purely speculation.

I didnt bother to read any of this topic since its basicaly gonna be the same discussion as other forums, but I just want to say one thing.
Dont judge it until you play it.

Too late, I already have.  

Why couldn't Nintendo just make this an accessory instead of the main controller?  This doesn't even seem right.  Imagine playing Smash Bros. with this controller.  I can't imagine it would be at all comfortable.

Until they revealed this contoller I was going to buy it on launch day.  Now I am going to wait to test it out.  Not that I believe in this controller anyways.

Because then they couldn't charge you for that controller thing that goes around it. If there's one thing nintendo is good at, it's selling things without including everything that's needed to make full use of that thing. Like the headphone adapter for the GBA SP.

Eh, I imagine the reason is similar to how many games end up being designed after perepherials that aren't included with the console.  If this is the main intended source of control, then most of the games will be designed with that in mind.

How many games can I play with a dancepad, or bongos, or the NES robot, or whatever?

I don't really see what all the big fuss is about.  It seems like it could be very neat.  Most of the developers seem interested. (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1084&Itemid=2)

All of the consoles are so similar right now in terms of graphics and speed, I'm happy that Nintendo is actually making a reason for buying a new one.  I mean, there really isn't much difference between an X-Box and an X-Box 360.

I'm planning on buying a Revolution on release, and I've always been more of a Sega person than Nintendo.  I'm not excited about an X-Box 360 or PS3 in the least bit.

But like other people have said all along, it'll be hard to judge until you get your hands on it.  I'm anticipating something big.  I could be wrong, I liked the Jaguar.  :P

I still cannot get excited by new consoles. I pretty much lost interest after the DC.

The only console series I'm likely play is Pro Evolution Soccer and even that's on the PC as well. I played Tekken 5 the other day and it was one of the most boring experiences of my life. Halo is the most overrated pile of cack ever. And yes, I am bored of EA riding on the back of the license acquired after the awesome Goldeneye, with a billion unforgivably dire spin-offs.

All most consoles are trying to be these days are budget PCs stuffed into a small box and easy enough to understand for Mum & Dad to buy little Johnny at christmas, stacked to the teeth with sequels, tired ideas and boring concepts to make some corporations uberbucks.  At least Nintendo seem to be trying something different in more recent years (I actually enjoyed the intuitiveness of Wario Ware: Touched on the DS, particularly the retro mode).

What I hope for is more companies such as Cronosoft begining to develop for old consoles and computers again, so I don't have to worry about enduring more interactive-novel monstrosities. And no, this does NOT include god damn re-releases for mobile phones; when will people understand that mobile phones are HORRIBLE platforms to develop for and play on. You cannot even call it a gaming experience (what ergonomics?)

Maybe I'm just pissed off with the current state of the industry on the whole. 'Medal of Honor: Obscure Historical Event 53' and the fucking SIMS make jesus weep. The whole thing has become so stagnant and screwed over by corporations. It's no longer 'who can make the best game, with the most memorable moments, addictive qualities and characters you can relate with', it's just who can throw the most money at a game, perhaps with some kind of license, and flashy graphics on the latest hardware. It's not the HARDWARE that is the problem, it's the GAMEPLAY. Yes, some games might be quirky and a little different, perhaps even well made, but there is simply a complete lack of any real creativity about these days. It's impossible with the current average amount of people in development teams. One person cannot have a vision and have it worked upon without some suited arsehole telling them that it doesn't comply with their marketing campaign, or is a bit too radical. Or the other 437 people in the team don't think it sounds that interesting, heck, maybe a bit too risky in employment terms (somebody has to be paid to clean the Ferarri).

Look at the Counter-Strike situation on the PC for instance, Valve have shown time and again that they DO NOT CARE what the majority of their gaming community wants, and they are only too happy to include ridiculous new features that will appeal to new players and infuriate others who actually know the game a little better. To give them credit, this is an excellent marketing campaign. Most casual gamers will play the game for a short while due to the 'awesome' features for newbies, and rush to tell their mates all about it. More cash in pocket for Valve, screw those who actually WANT to play games with some purpose of long-term enjoyment.

The games industry now rakes in more than that of its movie counterpart. Come one come all, cash in today. Gamers have proven that as long as the first impression counts, they will throw money at new releases when they are bored with the lack of depth or gameplay of an old one.

Today, a friend asked me what games I was looking forward to this year. I could only name 3 I think, and one is actually out in 2006. 1 is a modification for HL2, made by a non-profit bunch of gamers. And the other? Call me a hypocrite; it's the next installment of Pro Evolution Soccer. This is what it has come down to.

And, as a real gamer, what do I play instead of these outstandingly sickening advances in the interactive-movie industry (yes, I think that's more fitting)? A hell of a lot of retro games.

Yeah this is a rant, and somewhat off-topic. But I'm bored.

Business Week interviewed Miyamoto.  What he said about the controller and the idea behind Revolution are (to me) a bit bothersome.  I don't want to sit around and play games with my family.  I want to sit in a dark room, alone, and play games.  Their plan hardly sounds like a good thing to tout to the average 18-25 male gamer.

http://www.revolutionreport.com/articles/read/162

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In a recent interview with Business Week online, Nintendo's head game designer Shigeru Miyamoto provided various comments about innovation, making hit games and the like, but also discussed Nintendo's next-generation console, code-named the Nintendo Revolution.

When asked about how Revolution would differ from the competition, Miyamoto responded by saying that “the concept behind Revolution” was for “families to play video games together.” Miyamoto added that he “redesigned the Revolution's controller to look more like a regular TV remote so anyone who saw it would know instantly how to use it, and so they wouldn't think they had to stash it away.”

On the topic of Nintendo's target market, Miyamoto said he disagrees with people who say that “Nintendo is for kids, and Sony is for adults.” He also says that “there are plenty of 60-year-olds who will play the games [Nintendo makes].” Miyamoto then cited his recent creation Nintendogs, saying that although “women in their 20s haven't been a major target for game makers, but many young women have found [Nintendo's] games fun, especially Nintendogs.”

Lastly, Business Week asked Miyamoto to paint his personal image of the future of video games. The Mario creator responded by saying “it's convenient to make games that are played on TVs. But I always wanted to have a custom-sized screen that wasn't the typical four-cornered cathode-ray-tube TV. I've always thought that games would eventually break free of the confines of a TV screen to fill an entire room. But I would rather not say anything more about that.”

Yeah, that is a bit odd. The only explenation I can think of is that Nintendo knows they can't compete on the same level as Sony and Microsoft, and thus look for a different market.