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20 gig harddrive PS3 for $499
60 gig hd PS3 for $599

November 17th

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149470.html

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!! It's so exciting I just shot my cat.

w00t

I still haven't been convinced that i need a PS3 though.

What a ______ surprise.

6:33 -- Kuturagi takes the stage. He introduces the PS3 controlled ... and it's the PS3 controller?!? It looks exactly the same, but it has many new function. Most importantly, it has "6 degrees" of motion-sensing movement. (Um, Nintendo, what do you have to say about this?) You can move it up and down, you have pitch and yaw and roll movement, and it's all still wireless and, in fact, lighter than PS2's DualShock.

This is as cheap as anyone could have hoped.  I think this means that Sony will most likely win biggest market share again.  But, It will be 2008 before I can afford one.  Oh, and what's up with an extra $100 for 40GB more hard drive?  A little over priced memory.  But I guess it's better then paying $20 for 8MB on the PS2.

@ TraderJake
:D

http://ps3remote.ytmnd.com/

They have to be losing alot of money on each unit??

Also, were the specs every really revealed?  Either way, it's expensive but not priced out of everybodies reach. (like I originally thought it would be)

Damn 599$ ( cause thats the only system ppl want, I LAUGH at ppl that buy 360 cores) is going to be a hard sell, Im looking foward to it but that price realy does hurt.. and stealing the wii just made me cry inside a little.. I hope nintendo tells them to fuck them selfs 2morrow

Man!!  I saw the price and I fell on the floor.  Who in the hell can afford that?  Especially when Wii will probably be $199.  And they stole Nintendo's idea.  $500 frickin' bucks!!!!

I am really pissed at Sony stealing Ninty's idea for the motion controls surely they could have thought of something orginal themelves, and how much do they think they can sell the PS3 for. If it's $500 in the US you can quarantee that won't translate properly over here to the UK and we'll get screwed about £500 which would be about $650. Bloody Sony :(

I think the US equivalent was $623.

I disagree. With the PS3 coming out in November at a minimum of $499, if Microsoft is smart they'll drop the price of the 360 (premium version) to about $299-$349 for the Christmas rush. And on top of that, if they release Halo 3 around the same time, I'm thinking they're going to be in an excellent position to gain a LOT of market share.

I think it's EXTREMELY risky of sony to come in at this price point. Especially if consumers consider that they could have a 360 AND a Wii for the same price.

the $499 model does not include wi-fi, memory stick support, or HDMI output

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf
see page 3.

So basically, everybody who really is a "hardcore" gamer will want the 599 unit.

The more I look at it, the more I cant begin to understand it. They ripped of Nintendo, charge way more than Microsoft did for the 360 and will probably still sell a ton of these.  :-/

Bummer I was hoping it was going to be more.

At least they are getting it right by doing a hard drive in each system unlike stupid ass Microsoft.

We've already figured out that ALL the companies will lose and have lost money on their consoles.

Man these two version things really piss me off. In the last day I've gone from "OMG OMG OMG" to "god damn you consoles I'm turning PC all the way."

I read somewhere... And I will hopefully find the link, but Microsoft will be breaking even by the end of 2007.

Sony will be shooting money out of it's pockets every time they sell a console.

Who knows where the Nintendo Wii sits as far as money lost or gained per console. I tend to think it will be about even money.

Could all this crap about the companies losing money for each console sold just be a marketing ploy making the consumer actually think they are getting a bargain for the money they are shelling out?

No.  Working in the cell phone industry, my company buys phones at much, much more than they sell them for.  Now granted, you have to sign a contract to get a cheap phone, but still.  It's the same idea.

Ken

I honestly doubt it. I mean yes they may be losing money on the console, but they make huge money on accesories, and yet even more money on the games!

I mean it really doesnt cost that much to put data on a disc on does it? (of course I am not including the process of making the game)

With the 599 price, it's my guess that a lot of consumers (read: parents) will be opting for either the 360 or the Wii at the lower cost come Christmastime or they will be of the mindset that "For a couple hundred more, we can get a whole new PC".

Like I said before, it's an extremely risky price to come in at.

Yeah, I'm absolutely blown away by this price. It's ridiculous. They might as well put photos of aborted fetuses on the box. It'll be just as attractive to consumers.

Just another reason why I HATE Sony.  The PS2 were pieces of junk, most people had to buy 2-3 of them cause they already had so many games.  It kills me they stole Nintendo ideas to, I hope Sony goes broke and loses most of there market share because of this.  That price is crazy :o
~~NGD

:laugh: Nice post! :P

Seriously though, I still have my luanch day PS2. Of course I did send it in for a repair while it was still under factory warranty. It is just now starting to give me a bit of trouble.
(nothing that I cant probably fix though)


I see your point though. Who is to say this 600 dollar machine from Sony wont be another piece of crap that breaks down?

Might make the overheating 360 problem look like a cold compared to the plague  :P

exactly captain_nintendo.  

I hope PS3 is the biggest gaming turd that has ever been released, and Sony learns to stop cutting corners and make a  good product that actually lasts more than 5 years, like Atari, NES, SNES, they work forever seems like.
~~NGD

You forget the fewer moving pats the less to break. ;)
PS was a stable system for me.

I don't have any other CD based systems that are "old" so i can't claim any other systems.

I don't HATE sony or MS(specifically the gaming division) or Nintendo. I get pissed off though when they fuck stuff up and wait to long to fix it or ignore it completely.

Of course NES toaster models do need TLC. And the occasional new pin connector.


Seems like Sony got it rightwith the slim PS2? I havent heard complaints about it.

The 360 over heat issue was due to a manufacture error. I am pretty sure every model coming off the line now does not have that issue anymore.

It just sucks that sometimes these errors take a while to be corrected.

What everyone seems to be ignoring is the fact that the PS3 is going to be a $600 blue ray player, which makes it one hell of a bargain.  Even if you never play a game on it (though you could play games from the previous generation) you still save $400 on the first genereation of blue ray players.  The PS3 is a bargain not a rip-off.

Still way to damn expensive for me to care about it though. And Wii...

That may be true. It is a cheap Blue Ray player. But the average gamer can give a rats ass about that. Also I don't think a Videophile is going to buy a PS3 because it can play Blue Ray discs.

NES do need a little work from time to time, but the difference is average people can fix a NES themselves, I only know a handful of techy people who ca fix PS2.  The Slim does seem to be better, but it really hasn't been out long enought to start having problems.  PS2's done ok for about the first year and a half then all hello broke loose and they starting crapping out.

I think Microsoft handled the over heat problem very well actually.  They may emerge with the most market share after all this new consoles are released.  

I just don't think Sony wanted to fix there problems because at that point, so many people had some many games that they had no choice but to keep buying new PS2 when there old ones crapped out.  If you 50-100 PS2 games, you have a small fortune tied up, and Sony own your soul them......can you tell i don't care for Sony that much :laugh:
~~NGD

Buying a Laser disc player, VHS player, DVD player or Blu-ray player when they first come out is a big waste of money. You know withing the next year or 2 the price for the technology drops dramatically!


I will take the "wait and see" approach to the whole Blu-ray trend.

Me too.  

Plus, who watches DVDs on their PS2?  Maybe someone does, but I think that's a horrible DVD player.  

HD DVD is coming out too.
Blu Ray will probably catch on though because it is sony supported and it just sounds cooler.

Apple supports Blu Ray too, that makes it a winner!

I do. 8) I'm either playing PC and watching DVD on PS2 pr playing PS2 and watching DVD on PC.

Man the only one I dant have is a Blu Ray player.



Sony supported Beta Tapes. Do I need to say more?

Yes but Sony is a much more imposing media figure now.

And Beta doesn't sound as cool as VHS.
Were as IMO Blu Ray sounds cooler than HD-DVD

(I had alot more written but it was getting way off topic and slightly incoherent)

I think HD-DVD sounds better. It goes along with with what TV;s are being called, HD-TV.

Gotta agree with Tynstar on this one. HDDVD will be more of a household name because HD-TV is already becoming one. If Joe or Jane Consumer goes into a store and asks for a high definition DVD player and the salesperson asks Blu-Ray or HDDVD, the consumer will likely know what an HDDVD is/does but won't have a clue as to what a "Blu Ray" is. THEN the salesperson will have to actually explain it to them...yadda yadda...and as soon as they hear that it DOESN'T play HDDVDs, and if HDDVD is cheaper, they'll likely get the HDDVD player. It's VHS vs. Beta all over again...

As this relates to console gaming, if Sony doesn't allow for expandability to include non-BlueRay HDDVDs they're going to be shooting themselves in the foot if 360 makes a peripheral that allows for them to be played.

360 and PS3 have been rumored to have extrernal players for HD DVD and BLuRay in the works incase one takes of and the other flounders.

I am just going off rumors i have heard but it only makes sense.

It sounds good to have a Blu-Ray player and console together for $600 but we don't know if it will be fully compatible. I know the X-box won't play every kind of burned disc. I'm actually thinking about getting one of the Blu-Ray burners coming out this summer which are supposed to list under $1000 but will certainly be significantly discounted somewhere before long, and I'll have the benefits of full compatibility and authoring. If I do this it will be as an investment in video work; I still hesitate to pay $600 for a game console for my own recreation.

Anyone know how long it will be before PC ports of games will come out on Blu-Ray? I don't know of any games that really require that much storage space but I'm sure they're coming.

Correction: I just found the Samsung Blu-Ray burner is supposed to list around $500. That's already about the price range CD burners started in when they were new.

I saw a single Blu Ray disc for 22 dollars. It was 21 GB disc.

I think I understand what Sony is doing, but I don't like it..  Sony has sold more then 15 million PSP's (about 35% of the market) at almost twice the price of the DS, plus they've lauched a new movie media format that has a very high profit margin per unit.  

Sony knows that if the PS3 doesn't ship with Blu-ray on board, Blu-ray will become another beta-max. They did it in handhelds so they think they can do it in consoles.  It is about movie sales more then game sales.
      IMHO

I almost spent the time to write a really long rant but I'm tired and I'll just say this: The market battle is won and lost in Japan, as we've discussed the Japanese don't want to play Halo, the Japanese want to play Boong Ga Boong Ga and mosquito sims. SONY makes more Japanese geared games so SONY will rule.

Wasn't UMD production cut down alot?

I know I will be playing my PS3 come Dec. as long as they do not back up the date again. I been watching some of the previews for the games and they look just beautiful. Also I hear that Sony is taking off the region codes on there blu-ray drive. Which mean you can play jap imports on the PS3. But then again that is what I heard I am not sure if it is true.

You forgot that the Japanese market does like Nintendo ;) And I think Nintendo will finally take a bite out of Sony's pie over there in Japan.

I think that here in the states, you can buy the Wii and the 360 for the same price as a PS3. If I dont own any of those consoles, you can bet I would probably buy the other 2 first. And I am sure that is the way most of the American market will think.

Over here, it's about pricing. You know it is not about processing power. The Xbox and PS2 proved that. Of course I am sure Xbox / PS2 sales were getting close everywhere else other than Japan.

Sony hardly makes any games at all, and from what I've read a lot of their 3rd party exclusive developers are jumping ship.  Sony makes games like God of War and Gran Turismo.   3rd party developers create the weird games that are very hot in Japan.

I think the Wii will probably rule Japan.  Maybe Sony will rule Japan.  I doubt the 360 will rule anything.  |D

Wow, I just saw that. Although Microsoft did the same thing, I can't help but say wow to that fact, especially since the low end version will not be wifi capable out of the box. In this day and age, I would think that this little fact is a huge deal, and has been hinted, hardcore people will sure have to spend a lot of money on the "nice" system. It's almost as though Sony wants to fail.

I dunno.. Blu Ray stikes me as "new age laser disk"...lol

I know I'll get a PS3 eventually (like when I can get it from a crackhead cheap) but there's no way in hell I'll pay the asking price for it. Not that many interesting games mentioned (actually not one). Wii is the console I'm looking most forward to being that I already have a 360. I think Sony screwed the pooch and there's prolly a lot of developers that are pissed off at Sony for shit PSP game sales (even though Sony didn't make said shit game). It's all about NINTENDO.

Wii makes a very strong showing at E3, 360 has a whole slew of stong titles on the horizon (Gears of War is looking incredible!), and PS3 has an overpriced system that's going to have a hard time catching up.

Right now it looks like Nintendo is poised to win back a sigificant portion of the Japan market from Sony, imo.

Could be, but let us not forget that Sony owned Japan in the past decade. I wouldn't throw this history out the window.

The PS3 does have several good games that showed. MGS4 is obviously the big hitter. I wouldn't count Sony and the PS3 out just yet.

This link from E3 says that the Jap intrest is looking at PS3.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3150896

From the looks of it All of Nintendo release line-up is just a series of sequals.
But PS3 is looking like it is in the same boat. With MSG4, FFXIII, GTA4 and a new GT. but Assassin's Creed looks like it might be a good game and so does Heavenly Sword. It will be a close run in Japan between the two systems. I can see a lot of people getting both of them.

Who cares who wins Japan?  USA is the bigger market.

Huh  ???

I always thought that Japan was the bigger video game market as far as sales goes.....

Last time I check the the japanesse market is a large one. They larger percentage of gamers in there market and who every wins japan will live to fight the next war even if they lost out in the USA.

The gamecube is a prime example of that.  

Damn straight. Them asians love their gaming. Look at where all the game induced deaths happen, people quit their jobs to game and then die because they don't take breaks.

As far Nintendo vs. PS3 in Japan I have no idea, I'd still say SONY will win. In the U.S. I think SONY will take the market as well. I know for a fact that all my semi-halfway-gamer friends are creeped out by the Wii and I'd assume most parents will be too. Price is not really the issue among the parents who buy this stuff for their kids. I've seen parents drop sooooo much cash in gaming stores it's rediculous. I know the gamer crowd's all about Nintendo but from the street all I hear is 360 and PS3.

Why are they freaked out about it? Parents wont be. 249/499/599. 249 is the way parents will see it. Price does matter to most parents. Sure you get some that will buy anything but most won't.

Those game related deaths are in Korea and China.  Which, last time I checked, isn't Japan.   And anyway there may have been a couple of video game related deaths in the past few years, that hardly makes asians insane video game killers.  Give me a break.



Some parents spoil their kids, but the vast majority are concerned with price.  If you're talking about a family who's going to buy a videogame system for their children who can't afford one, it's going to be a hard sell when you think about the types of games that are available on the PS3 (Grand Theft whatever, FPS whatever, Blood Whatever) vs a vastly cheaper console that has lots of all-ages kids games (Mario Whatever, Sports Whatever that looks like Legos).

Really you're somewhat delusional if you think parents are going to be excited to buy their kids a PS3 over a Wii.  And if they're not going to buy a Wii because they're "creeped out" or whatever, what makes them pick a PS3 over a 360?  They're going to play nearly the same games, including tons of Mature rated ones, and the 360 is cheaper.  Something just doesn't compute with any of that logic.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12699

"Bloomberg: PS3 Launch Hampered by Lack of Dev Kits

With another 6 months to go before Sony launches its PlayStation 3, reports have surfaced that publishers have not gained access to final hardware, making it difficult to create games that utilize the console's power or to support the system at all this holiday.


Financial news publication Bloomberg.com is reporting that when the PlayStation 3 launches this November there will be "fewer and less-powerful games because the company hasn't given final technical details of the new console."

"A lot of developers have not gotten the kits,'' said Sega of America president Simon Jeffrey while attending E3 last week. "There certainly will not be a lot of titles available."
"

Maybe that's why every parent in USA will have no problem dropping 600 bucks on their kid's system.

Parent:Here is your new PS3!!!!!!!

Kid: AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!......Umm wheres teh games?

Parent: No clue they didnt have any, enjoy.

600 dollars. Just say it....6...hundred...dollars...and if you want a game and a 2nd controller to play with a friend, tack on another 110 (60 for game + 50 for controller). Brings the total to 710. Plus tax of $42.60. You're looking at $752.60 for a PS3 with 1 game. Realistic (and scary) numbers. And tack on another $60 (or more) if you want an extended warranty (a.k.a. "You want fries with that?")).

Not that it would make a difference to me regarding purchasing one at launch, but does anyone even know if you can play a PS3 with up to 4 players on 1 TV (i.e. split screen multiplayer)?

I thik it is cool you care about 2-4 player split screen. You and Den are the only 2 people I know that care about that.

Literal+add words into my mouth much there yap? :P Alright, so the Japanese aren't constantly keeling over from overplaying games, but it can't be denied it's a BIG market over there and it is indeed larger than ours.

Now I've said this before...Gaming is swiftly moving away from the pockets of low income families. Hell, I my family probably couldn't afford to just go out and get a Wii at this time. My point is that low income families should probably be out of the picture in this argument, yes I'm sure it'll affect some sales to those truly desperate parents but it all depends on who markets best; and in my mind the weird look and weird name of the Wii will come to haunt it. Name and appearance DO matter.

I'm sorry if I sound like a SONY fanboy but I assure you it's only skewing my thinking a little bit ;)

Godammit I could (and should because I never take the time to make my point) go on for hours about this sh!t but I don't really want too and it doesn't really matter...we'll see.

And I too love splitscreen...nothing beats Medal of Honor with the buds.

In the mind of most  people Wii = We how is that weird? The controller looks like a remote so thats not weird either.



If you really think price didnt matter to people everyone would drive the best car etc... Mom out shopping for Jr doesn''t give a rats ass if it is cutting edge technology. Well 99% of Moms anyways.

Well, as I've said, most of my friends all think Nintendo is :crazy: :crazy: and if people actually look at what they're buying such as they do for cars and TV's and (although not as much as they should) PC's they'll find out which is the better deal. If they want the more gaming oriented Wii or the more elaborate 360 or PS3.

Also, Scott, that second part you quoted is to be stricken from the records as it was a larger elaboration I never finished and forgot to delete..

OK  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I will have all three systems in the end. and I plan on getting a PS3 near launch even thought I think it is a dumb more on my part. But I got a PS2 on launch and I never had a inch of trouble with it yet so I might get lucky with PS3 as well

It's an absolute blast to have a bunch of buds over and beat the snot out of each other in the same room...Far Cry, Halo 3, MoH, various racing games, etc. I'm always on the lookout for 4P compatibility and system link possibilities.

Imo, if a shooter doesn't have 4P SS, I'm not buying it right away, it's not worth full price to me. I still haven't picked up Half Life 2 for this reason. For racing games, I'm willing to make exceptions (i.e. Burnout 3) but still prefer to have 4P (or even 2P/box with system link).

I'm keeping an eye out for Flatout 2 since it's supposed to have 4P SS for Xbox.

When did you get that? ;) I agree, it's so much more fun than a bunch of people you can't see.

Uh oh...I guess the cat's out of the bag...damn! ;) My career as a top-secret Microsoft playtester is doomed...