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Title: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Hydrobond on April 13, 2007, 01:17:32 PM
The PS3 is so complicated that developers can only use 20% of its power.  Wiil they ever learn?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ea-games-use-20-percent-of-ps3s-power-221137.php


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tondog on April 13, 2007, 01:21:44 PM
It hasn't been out very long. Epic says that they pushed the 360 to its limit with Gears of War. If that's 360's limit, then PS3 has a huge advantage over it.

IBM is working on making it easier to program for the Cell with the Octopiler. Google it and read more.

Don't think that just because first gen games are using 20% of the system's power means doom and gloom because it simply is not true. Just look at PS2.

And don't forget, EA doesn't exactly make the most demanding games for a system either...


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 13, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
It hasn't been out very long. Epic says that they pushed the 360 to its limit with Gears of War. If that's 360's limit, then PS3 has a huge advantage over it.

Why do you say that? GoW looks good. Plus I doubt the pushed it all the way.

Also EA at 20% or 100% chances are the game is still going to suck. Does anyone miss early 90's EA like I do?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tondog on April 13, 2007, 01:36:41 PM
I seem to recall Epic saying that they pushed 360 to the max with Gears. I said that because if Gears is as good as 360's graphics will get and Motorstorm looks as good as, if not better, than gears, then PS3 might have an advantge in the graphical realm.

I miss old school EA as well. They had some great stuff back in the day, like Road Rash. Great game.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: OatBob on April 13, 2007, 01:42:37 PM
...Does anyone miss early 90's EA like I do?

I do.  Especially the hockey games for Genesis and SNES.  The new ones are cool too, but the old ones are classic.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Hydrobond on April 13, 2007, 01:43:12 PM
It hasn't been out very long. Epic says that they pushed the 360 to its limit with Gears of War. If that's 360's limit, then PS3 has a huge advantage over it.

IBM is working on making it easier to program for the Cell with the Octopiler. Google it and read more.

Don't think that just because first gen games are using 20% of the system's power means doom and gloom because it simply is not true. Just look at PS2.

And don't forget, EA doesn't exactly make the most demanding games for a system either...

My comment wasn't meant to be 'doom and gloom', it was more amazement than anything else.  Amazement that the games look this good with only 20% of the Cell's power.  I know that the Cell is incredibly hard to write good code for.  Better compilers will help the situation tremendously, but a lot of the problem stems from most current programmers not having much experience withwriting code for multicore systems.  When the majority of programmers graduated there was no such thing as a multicore system, they all have to learn the nuances of this type of programming before they can utilize everything the Cell has to offer.

And yeah, I still like the Wii better.

I seem to recall Epic saying that they pushed 360 to the max with Gears. I said that because if Gears is as good as 360's graphics will get and Motorstorm looks as good as, if not better, than gears, then PS3 might have an advantge in the graphical realm.

The PS3 is also more than a year newer than the 360 and is a lot more expensive.  These two factors mean that the PS3 should literally be able to blow the 360 out of the water in terms of graphical performance.  


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 13, 2007, 02:37:08 PM
I've been telling you nubs this forever. Everyone was saying this forever.

360 is not competition to PS3 when it comes to capabilities, it's not even close.

360 is X-box 1.5, not X-box 2. M$ jumped the gun by trying to gain enough market shares by simply being the first of the "next gen" consoles. Did it work? Perhaps marginally, but they're going to be hurt when they have to build a new system while PS3 still has years of life to it.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 13, 2007, 02:50:56 PM
I want a PS3 now.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 13, 2007, 03:02:18 PM
I want a PS3 now.

Dude...you realize that you're never going to live this down with Leon?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 13, 2007, 03:27:58 PM
I want a PS3 now.

Dude...you realize that you're never going to live this down with Leon?

I was waiting for him or Tondog to say some thing before I said I was lying. Then again I do want to get one some day.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Shimra on April 13, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
I've been telling you nubs this forever. Everyone was saying this forever.

360 is not competition to PS3 when it comes to capabilities, it's not even close.

360 is X-box 1.5, not X-box 2. M$ jumped the gun by trying to gain enough market shares by simply being the first of the "next gen" consoles. Did it work? Perhaps marginally, but they're going to be hurt when they have to build a new system while PS3 still has years of life to it.

Doesn't mean shit when the PS3 hardly has any exclusives. Why can't you get that into your brain?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tan on April 13, 2007, 03:49:07 PM
I think most of us here will get a PS3 sooner or later. Just absolute crap for games right now, I don't think it even has enough in it's library to warrant even a $199 price right now.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 13, 2007, 03:55:56 PM
For 199.99 I am sure a lot of us would have one already. I know I would.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 13, 2007, 06:06:53 PM
I'd still be waiting until some exclusive games were out that were of any interest to me.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 13, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
I'd still be waiting until some exclusive games were out that were of any interest to me.

Blah

I don't really care about exclusives anyways. I will get one when the price is right.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Shimra on April 13, 2007, 07:21:12 PM
At 200, the only 2 exclusives that interest me would sadly merit buying one instead of a 360. That is how much I love Final Fantasy/Metal Gear Solid.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 13, 2007, 09:15:01 PM
Exclusives will come or they will vanish, all depends on how many companies are owned by the pwnzor big corporationz.

Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Hydrobond on April 13, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,

How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 13, 2007, 10:39:37 PM
Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,

How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.

IS BETTER!!!!


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Shimra on April 14, 2007, 12:22:31 AM
Exclusives will come or they will vanish, all depends on how many companies are owned by the pwnzor big corporationz.

Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,

I really don't see how that is the case. Saying IS BETTER!!!! almost convinced me though lol. Also, whats up anyway? Don't you primarily play PC games?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tondog on April 14, 2007, 10:20:17 AM
How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.
Even if the Wii version adds on totally superfluous controls for gimmick's sake and totally knocks down the graphical quality?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Hydrobond on April 14, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.
Even if the Wii version adds on totally superfluous controls for gimmick's sake and totally knocks down the graphical quality?

If you are talking about exclusive game vs a multi-platform then yes.  I would rather the game comes out for a system I own.  I'm not like most of you guys, I'm not a big gamer, and as such I don't collect every system made.  I picked the Wii out of this current generation because I don't care too much about the graphics, I wanted something entertaining.  The Wii's innovative contoller sold me on the system. 


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Shimra on April 14, 2007, 12:27:48 PM
How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.
Even if the Wii version adds on totally superfluous controls for gimmick's sake and totally knocks down the graphical quality?

I dunno, the Wii version of Madden received substantionally better reviews than the other versions.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 14, 2007, 01:22:15 PM
Exclusives will come or they will vanish, all depends on how many companies are owned by the pwnzor big corporationz.

Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,

I really don't see how that is the case. Saying IS BETTER!!!! almost convinced me though lol. Also, whats up anyway? Don't you primarily play PC games?

Yes I primarily PC cause it's cheaper (usually freerer). However I do plan on getting a next gen console at some point; in my eyes the PS3 is the only next gen console. The 360 is an upgrade from the last generation and the Wii is off in it's own generation making money.

Looking at the capabilities and contents of the three systems you can't deny the PS3 IS BETTER!!!!!!


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 14, 2007, 01:23:20 PM
How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.
Even if the Wii version adds on totally superfluous controls for gimmick's sake and totally knocks down the graphical quality?


Yeah the Sixaxis doesn't add superfluous controls for gimmick's  sake and the PS3 will look better and games are all about the graphics.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 14, 2007, 03:16:56 PM
How do you come to that conclusion?  Multi-platform games are made for the lowest common denominator, meaning that no matter which console you play it on it will be the same experience.  If this is the case, I would much prefer the Wii controller to the PS3.
Even if the Wii version adds on totally superfluous controls for gimmick's sake and totally knocks down the graphical quality?


Yeah the Sixaxis doesn't add superfluous controls for gimmick's  sake and the PS3 will look better and games are all about the graphics.

You are being sarcastic, right?

All I know is that rumble on a controller is a good thing!


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Hydrobond on April 14, 2007, 05:11:45 PM
Exclusives will come or they will vanish, all depends on how many companies are owned by the pwnzor big corporationz.

Even if the sclusives don't come it's a better system to play multi-plats on,

I really don't see how that is the case. Saying IS BETTER!!!! almost convinced me though lol. Also, whats up anyway? Don't you primarily play PC games?

Looking at the capabilities and contents of the three systems you can't deny the PS3 IS BETTER!!!!!!

Capablities yes, content no.  The PS3 is only superior in performance at this point. 


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 14, 2007, 06:10:12 PM
Aye, a poor choice of words that was, shoulda been hardware. The physical system is chock full of next gen goodies.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 14, 2007, 11:20:20 PM
Aye, a poor choice of words that was, shoulda been hardware. The physical system is chock full of next gen goodies.

But if you don't care about the "next gen goodies", you shouldn't waste your money because the games just aren't there.

And even if there were a few good ones to make it even competitive for games, it still doesn't justify a $600 price tag.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 14, 2007, 11:29:55 PM
Aye, a poor choice of words that was, shoulda been hardware. The physical system is chock full of next gen goodies.

But if you don't care about the "next gen goodies", you shouldn't waste your money because the games just aren't there.

And even if there were a few good ones to make it even competitive for games, it still doesn't justify a $600 price tag.


If you don't care about next gen goodies then keep playing Mario.

But the next-gen goodies are the point to me; why upgrade when you aren't getting any thing new besides shinier graphics? The whole point of something called the next gen should be to make new crap. The games will arrive, the price tag will go down.

I still think they should have just waited on the release but maybe their plan is to cut prices around the time of big releases. It is a big hunk of cash but people are dropping cash on stuff all the time, that $600 is shrinking every day.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 14, 2007, 11:42:27 PM
The sad thing is that the first price drop isn't likely to hit until 2009 from what I hear. Which would likely be far too late.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 14, 2007, 11:50:14 PM
Where is you hear this?


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Shimra on April 15, 2007, 12:37:39 AM
Aye, a poor choice of words that was, shoulda been hardware. The physical system is chock full of next gen goodies.

But if you don't care about the "next gen goodies", you shouldn't waste your money because the games just aren't there.

And even if there were a few good ones to make it even competitive for games, it still doesn't justify a $600 price tag.


If you don't care about next gen goodies then keep playing Mario.

Can do my good sir, can do.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Fuyukaze on April 15, 2007, 06:14:36 AM
Quote
If you don't care about next gen goodies then keep playing Mario.


I dont wana!  I hate mario, give me Trauma Center on the other hand and....


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: phoenix1967 on April 15, 2007, 08:33:10 AM
Where is you hear this?

My sources at EB and Gamestop, who have spoken with their Sony reps.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tondog on April 15, 2007, 12:34:45 PM
Gamestop employees usually don't know crap about crap.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on April 15, 2007, 01:11:39 PM
If true, Sony is officially the most retarded company EVAR! By 2009, unless they start some l337ly awesome system packs, Sony will be up the creek without a paddle. It would have been cheaper for them to just wait to release the thing in 2009 :P

I imagine I could run the damn company better.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Fuyukaze on April 15, 2007, 10:51:21 PM
If true, Sony is officially the most retarded company EVAR! By 2009, unless they start some l337ly awesome system packs, Sony will be up the creek without a paddle. It would have been cheaper for them to just wait to release the thing in 2009 :P

I imagine I could run the damn company better.

For some odd reason I have to agree with you on this.  What with the number of things we both have in common when it comes to interests, I cant see where you running Sony would be any worse then who they have now.


Title: Re: PS3 is too complicated
Post by: Tynstar on April 16, 2007, 11:12:42 AM
Gamestop employees usually don't know crap about crap.

Thats very true

I imagine I could run the damn company better.

Umm I don't think so.