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Title: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: GrayGhost81 on June 09, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
 :guncannon:

PARTICIPANTS:
GrayGhost81 (host)
singlebanana
MetalFRO
Duke.Togo
Pam
zophar53
douglie007

CHECKPOINTS:
Week 1: July 1st - 7th - Finish the Foundary area
Week 2: July 8th - 14th - Finish Kadingir Sanctum (Hell) area
Week 3: July 15th - 21st - Finish Lazarus Labs area.
Week 4: July 22nd - July 28th - Finish VEGA Central Processing area.
Final Days: July 29th - 31st - Finish the game.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough
Post by: Raidou on June 09, 2018, 11:44:58 AM
dot hack?


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough
Post by: MetalFRO on June 11, 2018, 08:37:23 AM
I'm in for this one!!!


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM 2016
Post by: Duke.Togo on June 11, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Iím in for Doomy Doom.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM 2016
Post by: Pam on June 11, 2018, 12:05:14 PM
Interesting. This is also CC's playthrough for September. I guess I will push forward my next playthrough.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM 2016
Post by: singlebanana on June 12, 2018, 11:46:23 AM
Interesting. This is also CC's playthrough for September. I guess I will push forward my next playthrough.

Ah man!  I didn't even look at their schedule before we made this selection. Would have been cool to play a game on both sites again. :(


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: ReddMcKnight on June 15, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
Will there be Multiplayer Match-Ups too?


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: GrayGhost81 on June 15, 2018, 06:32:52 PM
Will there be Multiplayer Match-Ups too?

I'd be willing to give it shot.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on June 16, 2018, 08:59:48 AM
Seeing as though this was my favorite game of 2016, how could I not sign up for this one. I'm in! I've already beat it on Hurt Me Plenty though, so I'll have to step it up to Ultra Violence.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: douglie007 on June 19, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
Doom... I'll do it


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 05, 2018, 09:03:52 AM
So I started playing two days ago and have made some decent progress in the game already (can't reveal my current location as it is a bit of a spoiler). As many of you know, I'm not much of a FPS gamer and even Shawn was surprised when I agreed to play DOOM (2016).  Not that I don't enjoy these games from time-to-time (I'm sure you'll hear about my history with these games), but I'd probably say that this genre probably ranks just above sports and racing games for me. Just a personal preference. Anyway, to the surprise of some and maybe even myself, I was really excited about starting this game. I saw that it made many of our site members best of year end list for 2016 and over the last few months, I had listened to a good bit of the soundtrack via YouTube, which (podcast spoiler), I love.

I have to admit, it took me a few levels to get used to the controls of DOOM, especially the aiming, but after that brief period, I found myself taking to them rather well. I feel that they did a great job with the button-mapping. While the game has some duck and retreat mechanics like its predecessor, I find that the more open areas of this game require a more aggressive approach, which I like a lot.  I'm not sure if this method applies to the more difficult settings, since I'm playing on "baby game for baby gamers" mode, so maybe some of the rest of you can chime in. Still, I find that even the easiest setting is pretty challenging and have died several times; I'm quite happy with this. I feel like the controls are very smooth and well-done, however, there are some platforming bits further into the game that are a bit annoying, though still, I never felt frustrated.  I had to reset my game once because I got stuck in a groove I couldn't get out of, but with the games nice and frequent auto-saving, I didn't have make up much progress at all.

So far, my favorite part of DOOM is the story.  I played the original, PC version of the game back in the day and honestly don't recall whether or not there was a story. Perhaps there was one in the instructions or on the box, but of course, these were the "Wild West" days of the World Wide Web, so I doubt my college roommate had either (*wink* *wink*). The story in DOOM (2016) is captivating and it's really cool that it begins right off the bat with you being strapped to a table, waking up with demons all in your grill, and having little to no idea of what is going on.  I'm really impressed with how this story is beginning to unfold and I love that your disgruntled character still has that gritty attitude that I remember from the original game. The use of holograms to tell the story in a very industrial way is really cool and helps aid in you being able to put what's going on together.  I often find myself chuckling (sometimes nervously) at their comments.  I have to say that I get some of the same feels as I did in Beyond last month, those "is the human race taking technology/science too far" sci-fi fuzzies.  I always like when a game makes me reflect on our present and this game surely does it. I have a sneaking suspicion that there is a twist coming...

The guns and upgrades are fun. I really like the variety and the enhancements. Suit upgrades are neat, but I sometimes question whether they really add much value. The Rune side quests are kind of lame to impossible, but I figure these are made for coming back to and replayability.  The enemies and environments look incredible!!....except for the shield guys, they are bastards. And finally.....GORE KILLS!  Wow, these are really nice and I really like how they differ from enemy to enemy. Brutal and fantastically fitting.

Alright, that's all for now.  I'll leave you one more item of interest: GORE NESTS! Love 'em.   


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 06, 2018, 08:23:22 AM
I messed around with the game a bit last month and I must say, it's INTENSE! You're definitely right about needing an aggressive approach. If memory serves, Pam mentioned in her review video that you really can't stand still, and there's a lot of truth to that. I found that there were a couple places I could hang back and snipe demons a bit, but mostly, you have to jump into the fray and really just move around to avoid attacks. Also, you really need those glory kills in order to regain life, so you kind of need to be in the thick of it regardless, unless you can avoid any and all oncoming attacks. Hoping to put a bit of time into this game over the weekend.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: douglie007 on July 06, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
That must be my issue, I am getting killed a lot, but I don't run around much, I try and stand my ground.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 07, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
Yeah, staying mobile is absolutely vital to staying alive, especially in the later levels. The nice thing is that by using the glory kills to gain back health and the chainsaw to gain back ammo, it creates a gameplay loop where you get in trouble and close to death only to fix the problem by being aggressive. It takes skill and is nerve-wracking when things get hectic, but is very satisfying and feels awesome when you get into a good groove, especially with the neo-metal soundtrack in the background lol. It's nice to hear that even on lower difficulty levels it's balanced enough to allow for this.

The first time I played through this game it was on medium difficulty. Now that I'm playing it on the next one up, oof it's rough. I'm only on the 2nd level so far and have died a lot haha. I'm not sure if that's due to the game or me being out of practice. Probably a bit of both. I'm still having a lot of fun with it though. I think if the controls were not as well-structured or the combat not as well-balanced it wouldn't work. Tiny non-story spoiler, but there are methods you can unlock later in the game to speed up the glory kill animations even more (stick with those rune bonus levels. Not all of the upgrades you get from them are useful, but some are helpful later on. But yeah, they're too hard), so it gets even more frenetic. I didn't have much trouble with the platforming though. All the ledges that you can grab are marked with lights in some way, so between that, the double jump, and fairly generous ledge grabbing "stickiness," I rarely missed a jump unless it wasn't one that was intended to be made. The 3D map is a big help too in some of the larger areas where it can be hard to tell where you're supposed to go.

I love the story! Especially how the DOOM Guy doesn't really give a crap about any of it. He just wants to kill the demons haha. The demon logs are my favorite I think. I won't spoil them here, but they add some great flavor to things. Has anyone listened to the announcements going on over the loud speakers in the facility? They're so great. "Demonic presence is at unsafe levels." So, ummm, what would you call a SAFE level of demonic presence lol? And the flavor text in the logs is really fun too.

I'm glad people are enjoying this game. I still love it just as much as I did when it first came out.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 08, 2018, 03:59:55 PM
Holy crap this game is hard! I reached the Vega terminal and got the upgrade, which I opted to put towards max health. However, I have no more gas for my chainsaw, so the shield enemy in the next section takes me out fast. Is there another way to kill these creeps?


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 08, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
The shield guys are a huge pain. Chainsaw is by far the easiest way to handle them. But if you're out of gas I'd recommend either trying to circle around them to hit them from behind or the side, or trying to throw a grenade so that it lands a little behind and to the side of them, so when it explodes it hits them from behind. Every once in a while they'll get themselves in front of an exploding barrel and you can shoot that for the same effect, but that instance doesn't happen often. I've also had success double jumping over their heads and turning around to shoot them from behind, but I don't think you get the double jump until a bit later.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 08, 2018, 10:08:37 PM
My shield guy go-to remedy now is the frag grenade. Mapped to L1 for PS4.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: Duke.Togo on July 09, 2018, 01:06:54 AM
Finally got a chance to get in and play. I take things pretty slow and look for all the secrets, but I did manage to get through the first two stages. What are the checkpoints for this game?


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 09, 2018, 05:57:18 AM
Finally got a chance to get in and play. I take things pretty slow and look for all the secrets, but I did manage to get through the first two stages. What are the checkpoints for this game?

Doom is broken down in several stages composed of 13 main areas. I think 3 areas per week, plus the last few days to finish the final stage works.

Week 1: July 1st - 7th - Finish the Foundary area
Week 2: July 8th - 14th - Finish Kadingir Sanctum (Hell) area
Week 3: July 15th - 21st - Finish Lazarus Labs area.
Week 4: July 22nd - July 28th - Finish VEGA Central Processing area.
Final Days: July 29th - 31st - Finish the game.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 09, 2018, 01:24:29 PM
Ooh, nice! I just finished the Foundry area last night, so I'll be off to the races for the next set this evening.

EDIT: I will say, turning down the difficulty to the lowest level helped tremendously. I was playing on the default setting, and while that typically worked for me on older DOOM games, Wolfenstein 3-D, etc. this game is just brutal, and my ability to successfully aim with the right analog stick on ANY pad pales in comparison to what you can do with a mouse, so I have to crank the difficulty down in order to stand a better chance. Were I playing on PC, I might feel a bit different, and be able to handle it better, due to more precision aiming, but on console? Fuhgeddaboutit.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 09, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Yeah, like most Doom titles, this game can be punishingly difficult. I kind of figured that going in, so I'm on the lowest setting as well. No shame. :)


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: GrayGhost81 on July 09, 2018, 07:22:19 PM
Agree that this game is hard even on easy.

I just finished the game and I really liked it. I really dug the finishing move to get health mechanic (reminds me of Warhammer Space Marine!).

I was using all the weapons throughout the whole game, and that rarely happens to me in any game!

The music is AMAZING. Really reminds me of old Nine Inch Nails.

I'm glad to be finished with game, as much as I liked it, I was getting a little tired of the gameplay loop of escalating groups of more and more powerful enemies.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 10, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
The music is AMAZING. Really reminds me of old Nine Inch Nails.

Interesting. I don't hear that, but I can understand where you're coming from. Are you thinking along the lines of "Happiness In Slavery" or "March of the Pigs" type of stuff for when the music ramps up after you activate a demon nest?

I'm glad to be finished with game, as much as I liked it, I was getting a little tired of the gameplay loop of escalating groups of more and more powerful enemies.

I only just completed powering down the Argent facility last night, so I can't speak to this quite yet, but I'm finding the progression to be good. Some of the larger, or harder to kill enemies initially feel like minibosses when they first appear, and then as you move forward, they become integrated into the regular flow of the game. Case in point: the big hulking demon that appears in the Foundry area the first time scared the stuffing out of me the first time, and took me a long while to come up with a strategy for, outside of just mowing it down with my chainsaw. One level later, and I'm seeing multiple big demons like that when opening a demon nest. This hearkens back to a lot of retro games, where early, easier bosses become fodder later in the game, though in this case, they're throwing this stuff at you a lot more quickly. I'm curious as to what they're going to continue to introduce. The "warping" or "zoom" demons in the Argent facility, that quickly warp from place to place felt like a boss encounter the first time, but when the next nest revealed one as well, I knew right away that this was probably going to be the pattern, going forward.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 10, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
For those who like the music, the Doom vinyl drops on 7/13/18. Some places, including Target??, are still taking pre-orders:
 
https://www.target.com/p/mick-gordon-doom-ost-vinyl/-/A-53639693?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&CPNG=PLA_Entertainment+Shopping&adgroup=SC_Entertainment&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=g&device=c&location=9009606&gclid=CjwKCAjwspHaBRBFEiwA0eM3kehiFga0uexS0GCUcEzaIH_q_x8OzAAykRuueJgi9Jt64dGJISjCDRoCcQ4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 10, 2018, 10:12:48 AM
Agree that this game is hard even on easy.

I just finished the game and I really liked it. I really dug the finishing move to get health mechanic (reminds me of Warhammer Space Marine!).

I was using all the weapons throughout the whole game, and that rarely happens to me in any game!

The music is AMAZING. Really reminds me of old Nine Inch Nails.

I'm glad to be finished with game, as much as I liked it, I was getting a little tired of the gameplay loop of escalating groups of more and more powerful enemies.

I agree with all of this. Pretty tough even on easy, yes!  Warhammer: Space Marine feels, check! (though I wish that there was a damn shield kick button) Scrolling through and changing weapons often, gotz to!  Great metal music to smash and explode demons to, priceless!  

I'm nearing the end of the game myself and I can attest to the loop of increasingly difficult rooms and baddies is beginning to wear on me.  Let me say that the variety of demons is great and I feel like they did a very good job of mixing up the groups and adding new demon types quite often.  I like the some of the enemies have "soft" spots where they take more damage and I also appreciate how specific guns work better than others for some of them. What I really feel that this game lacks from the onset are boss battles.
Spoiler (hover to show)
 Josh, I know you mention the sort of mini-boss battles with the introduction of new demons, but I feel like some more challenging one-on-one content would make the game feel less rinse-and-repeat. Perhaps the length could also be trimmed down, but I dunno, some might feel like they didn't get their monies worth.  Just my two cents (see what I did there...).


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: GrayGhost81 on July 10, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
Interesting. I don't hear that, but I can understand where you're coming from. Are you thinking along the lines of "Happiness In Slavery" or "March of the Pigs" type of stuff for when the music ramps up after you activate a demon nest?

Pretty much. The synth/guitar sounds in general remind me of The Downward Spiral sound.

I really like the grindy, wavy synth sound that slams you after a few seconds in the pause menu.

I like synth that sounds off-putting, almost disturbing like that. Check out "Die Like a Rockstar" by Danny Brown for more of what I mean.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 11, 2018, 12:44:50 AM
Totally agree on the music. I love a good static-y base, and there's lots of it in this game. Did anyone notice the bits of the original Doom soundtrack buried in the various new songs? Sometimes they're hard to pick out, but they're definitely there. One of the more identifiable ones is right at the start of the game. During the title card in the elevator in the first level, and then the shotgun cocking along with the ending guitar riff. I heard that and I was already pumped 5 mins into the game.

Btw, the creator of the soundtrack did a 3-part making-of video series on it. Definitely worth checking out. It's really interesting the methods he used to create the various electronic distortions and the monster base guitar he used https://youtu.be/ua-f0ypVbPA


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 12, 2018, 04:44:26 PM
There's apparently a vinyl version of the DOOM soundtrack coming soon!


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 12, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
There's apparently a vinyl version of the DOOM soundtrack coming soon!

Yep. A link to a preorder 5 posts up. 😉


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 15, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
I missed that, thanks!

If the checkpoints are the indication, having just finished the Kidingr Sanctum, I'm roughly close to halfway through the game. That last section was intense! I realize that it was supposed to be in the depths of Hell, but I definitely had some trouble with that last section, just before teleporting back to Mars. In my haste to run around and not take damage during the onslaught, I kept falling off the main platform, as I was running around. I think I must have done that a half dozen times or so. I rather hate bottomless pits in FPS games.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: GrayGhost81 on July 15, 2018, 12:32:23 PM
I missed that, thanks!

If the checkpoints are the indication, having just finished the Kidingr Sanctum, I'm roughly close to halfway through the game. That last section was intense! I realize that it was supposed to be in the depths of Hell, but I definitely had some trouble with that last section, just before teleporting back to Mars. In my haste to run around and not take damage during the onslaught, I kept falling off the main platform, as I was running around. I think I must have done that a half dozen times or so. I rather hate bottomless pits in FPS games.

I'm glad you brought this up, because I kept meaning to comment on the platforming in this game and forgetting to do so.

I was very surprised by the verticality in this game. Many times I found myself wondering "How the heck am I supposed to get up (or down) there?" Well, start following green context clues on screen, basically. Jump and grab what you can. Don't forget to look for holes in the ceiling and don't be afraid to take huge leaps of faith.

While I understand your frustration here, Fro, I thought it was very cool addition to a what is on the surface a gun-shooty-gore-fest.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 15, 2018, 12:44:00 PM
I missed that, thanks!

If the checkpoints are the indication, having just finished the Kidingr Sanctum, I'm roughly close to halfway through the game. That last section was intense! I realize that it was supposed to be in the depths of Hell, but I definitely had some trouble with that last section, just before teleporting back to Mars. In my haste to run around and not take damage during the onslaught, I kept falling off the main platform, as I was running around. I think I must have done that a half dozen times or so. I rather hate bottomless pits in FPS games.

I did that several times too FRO. For me, that last Hell scene took me the most tries to beat in the game. Second only to a certain train station encounter that you will come across later... I fell into the pits a ton as well and had to ration out the chainsaw and 4X damage power up at the right moments. Tough fight. Glad you made it through.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 16, 2018, 08:52:08 AM
@GrayGhost81 - I actually like the platforming, and agree that it does add an extra element to the game, so it's not just shooting baddies. The jumping takes a bit to get used to, and can be a touch floaty, but overall, I liked that aspect. I just don't like falling off a ledge when I'm 5 or 6 gunshots away from killing the last demon in a large onslaught, only to have to do the whole thing again, and usually 2 or 3 times, because I got lucky that time  :laugh:

@singlebanana - The chainsaw is infinitely useful, but boy howdy do you run out of fuel fast! Rationing is right, and I found that it was best to save it for enemies I had trouble with, like the "warping" demons, or some of the big fellas that shoot fire and fireballs at you, that have shielding. For those guys, I found that, outside of grenade cheesing, catching them from behind, or using either the rocket launcher or Guass Cannon, they generally took the most time for me to take out. Even the Baron of Hell enemies generally go down faster, because they don't have shielding.

I was having fun with the game yesterday, so I pressed on past the weekly goal, and am now in the Lazarus lab facing the Cyberdemon. Holy cow, is this thing going to take some time to figure out how to kill.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 16, 2018, 10:07:40 AM
I loved the Cyberdemon fight, but yeah, it's intense! I tended to make a beeline for the BFG ammo and hit him with a couple blasts from that right off the bat. Except sometimes my aim would be off and I'd whiff it. Super annoying when that happened.

I'm glad to hear everyone's enjoying the game enough to push through the difficulty :)


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 16, 2018, 11:14:53 AM
I loved the Cyberdemon fight, but yeah, it's intense! I tended to make a beeline for the BFG ammo and hit him with a couple blasts from that right off the bat. Except sometimes my aim would be off and I'd whiff it. Super annoying when that happened.

I'm glad to hear everyone's enjoying the game enough to push through the difficulty :)

Just a little something I noticed, but I typically fired my BFG when my health was low. Firing it and switching weapons quickly on a stunned boss causes them to spew health. I could typically earn full health this way and rinse and repeat this tactic when necessary.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 16, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Oh that's interesting. I never noticed that connection before. Nice tip!


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: Duke.Togo on July 16, 2018, 10:22:13 PM
OK, I'm woefully behind, but I got through the Foundry last night. Spent an eternity looking for the key card. I REALLY wish it gave you a map marker or at least a visual clue when they are on a corpse.


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 17, 2018, 08:47:10 AM
OK, I'm woefully behind, but I got through the Foundry last night. Spent an eternity looking for the key card. I REALLY wish it gave you a map marker or at least a visual clue when they are on a corpse.

I'm assuming this is the case between versions, and also assuming you've seen this before, but just in case: if you see a corpse with a highlight around it, go check it out, because it will likely have a Praetor token or keycard.

I beat the Cyberdemon last night, and got myself past the next level, so I think I'm close, if not in, the home stretch!


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: singlebanana on July 17, 2018, 09:44:18 AM
First rule of Doomsday: Always check corpses. :P


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: zophar53 on July 17, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
OK, I'm woefully behind, but I got through the Foundry last night. Spent an eternity looking for the key card. I REALLY wish it gave you a map marker or at least a visual clue when they are on a corpse.

I agree the key cards aren't highlighted very well. The praetor tokens glow red, but I never spotted anything like that to highlight the key cards. I had a couple spots where I was wandering around lost looking for them myself when I first played.

I beat the Cyberdemon last night, and got myself past the next level, so I think I'm close, if not in, the home stretch!

You're getting there, only a few levels left. But there's a couple surprises left in store :)


Title: Re: July 2018 Playthrough - DOOM (2016)
Post by: MetalFRO on July 17, 2018, 11:50:36 PM
I have the Crucible! The fight against the Hell Guards is pretty intense, and there are some interesting attacks in the mix. I realize that this can be true for much of the game, but I found the key to this battle was to find a rhythm. For many of the earlier onslaughts, I could fudge my way through them, because you can rely on glory kills to replenish health and ammo, but you only get occasional ammo in this boss encounter, so you really have to get a sense of how these guys move, where you can go to avoid attacks, and which weapon will work best to whittle down their energy.