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... is rumored to be announced on September 14th according to nintendojo. :(  Here is the link  http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1156359979.

Jesus christ this is BS announce the damn price and date already.

Yeah, I knew about that, and I too think it sucks that the damn price and release date was not announced yesterday in Leipizig. I have this strange feeling it's going to be a mad dash to reserve the damn things once the release date is announced.

September 14th is the night Reggie will be hosting a media party in New york with 6 hours of hands-on gameplay to follow, it'd be as good a time as any with TGS starting the week after that.

I'll go ahead and make a prediction for the Wii launch date:

November 12.

Time will tell if that is right.

I say october 31st.  3 holidays in one (halloween, wii, bat out of hell III)

Thats my birthday so that will work for me.

I'm going with November 4th.  That's my wedding date.

Mark it down fellas. November 21st is the day I predict.

Novembre 23rd for my birthday. Not that it means I'm going to buy one.

I'm actually going with the Cap'n now and I have evidence!!!  In my latest Nintendo Power they have an ad for the Nintendo Fusion Tour where you can play the Wii first.  Well, the last date on the tour is November 11th, therefore, I'm thinking the release date will be on or after that tour date of Novemeber 14th.

Sounds like a winner shaggy.  I hope they don't pull some sega saturn stunt on us and just drop them in the stores before anyone knows what hit em

Damn, I was going off of the Nintendo Fusion Tour Website.

http://www.nintendofusiontour.com/

There the last date is Nov. 11

Yea, a typo on my part.  The release date will be the 14th or the 21st I think.

My school loan just got in... so now I got enough cash to drop on the system, extra controllers and accessories, and plenty of games.

Now if they would just announce the release date  ???

Nice use of a school loan. ;)

Hey, I'll be using mine for that too, and you know, living without going from day to day.

I like that idea, then they can call it a Hallo-wii-n party. ;)

Realistically, I'm in agreement that it's likely to be mid-November.

Good to see the Wii is set to be region free, it should make it a little easier to get games over in Britain, as it seems to take months after games have been released in Japan and the US to make their way over here.

Wha?! Where'd you hear that?

IBM shipping Wii CPUs (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157311.html)




"Though it was not mentioned in the IBM/Nintendo press release, some wire-service reports claim that the first batch of Broadway chips landed in the Mario Factory's hands in July--meaning production of the console could be farther along than expected"

I think he made it up...

I'm gonna guess Wii will be out at or near the end of October, and will go for $250 or $300.

I'm going to guess November 1st, at $249.99.  But that's strictly a guess, based on my guessing abilities.

I dunno.  I just want it out already.

So yeah... I'll jump for joy if Vibe is correct about this:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/another-outlet-pegs-wii-price-at-150-199612.php

I read an article somewhere that speculated £150. That'll be $150-200, then.

Edit: http://www.mcvuk.com/newsitem.php?id=24356

Yeah, the Nintendo UK president shot down that speculation. Said it was close though.

If it's 150 GBP, wouldn't that be about $250-$300USD?

Have you not been watching console prices?

Xbox 360 Premium -> £280 = $522 =/= $400

Therefore, if the Wii is £150 ($279), it should be $200 in America.

There is a ridculous trend of companies releasing the same prices for games in every country, not taking into account the value of the currency i.e. games being 49.99 pounds and dollars.

Wow!  I guessed $200.  $150 would be awesome!!  Only two days to go...

IGN- article with someone at Nintendo marketing


This could either mean the software is region free or the on-line capabilities are region free, I understand that Sony a rumoured to be releasing the PS3 region free so Nintendo may also follow the trend.

I laughed at that.

I did too. I stole that off IGN too.

One day to go....

ARRRGGGHHHH I NEED A PRICE PRESS RELEASE!

Gotta be really close. I noticed at lunch today that they're taking reservations for Red Steel at EB.

They've been doing that for a while, they just have yet to take Wii console preorders.

Well, the shit hits the fan tonight, with Japan being first. America comes tomorrow at 10, and Europe on Friday. Excitement is gripping.

@ TraderJake: Will we have an idea what our price will be due to the Japan price? Or would it be cheaper in Japan?

I assume we will get a pretty good idea of the price based on the Japanese price of Yens

How fitting my 900th post is about the Wii!!!!!!!!  According to Nintendojo.com  the Wii is set to launch November 19th and cost $250.  Here is the story: http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1158210496.  It seems the New York Times and Seattle PI sent there stories out early and than were pulled and than sent out again.  This seems like the date and price but could change when 9, 10, 11, and 12 come about.

Sorry, I had a headache yesterday and went to sleep really early.

What I do know is that I'll be calling gamestop everyday starting today asking if they are taking console preorders yet.

Kinda happy the console is bundled with Wii Sports, kinda wish it would have been $200, but then nothing official has been said by the man with the plan.

You sure are up early for having a headache!!!  I really wish $200 was the price, too, but $250 isn't bad considering what the other 2 consoles are priced at and you actually get a pack-in game!  They haven't had pack-in games at launch since the SNES/Turbo Grafx/Genesis era

i was a little surprised Metroid was delayed, i thought for sure it was a launch title, although the pricing of  hardware and services was to be expected i didn't expect $60US for the wii-mote/nunchuk combo.

Wait, November 19th is a Sunday.  I don't think this is the real release date.  The 21st is more realistic.  I guess we will know in an hour and a half!

it actually started an hour and a half ago, all the details are done and out now

 
Japan is already started, the US is 11 Central time.

Nintendo  NYC (Kotaku) (http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/liveblogging-nintendos-nyc-event-200486.php)

1up coverage (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153637)

So, a pack-in game?  Awesome!  I'm not so sure about spending the extra $40+ for another controller, but if it's got the ability to store your own personal character (did I read that right), $40+ doesn't seem to bad.  I'm calling Gamecrazy as soon as I can to see if I can reserve one.

And free on-line?  Nice!

i have cripplenet at work and cant access much (though i can come here without any hassel), was there any mention of what colors it will come in? i really want a red one, as i am sick and tired of white/black/grey consoles

White and white only in all territories, it seems.

Personally I am pleased, a little surprised with $250, but it is a lot less than $600. And I get a free game! Yay.

Personally I am shocked by the "channel" system. I didn't think Nintendo would try something that seemed comprehensive.

i'd agree with the $40 if it included the nunchuk

I can't access the sites right now, so I have a few questions:

1. Did they say that the controller included with the console would have the nunchuck attachment?

2. Is $40 the cost of 1 controller with a nunchuck or without? If it's withoug, what's the price of a nunchuck only?

3. Does the console come with a component video (Red/Green/Blue) cable or just the composite (Red/Yellow/White)? And how much is the component cable if it's sold separately?

It's got both.

40 is the cost of one 'mote without a nunchuck. You gotta pay and extra $20 for the nunchuck.

I think it's just composite, and I don't know what the component would cost.

So yeah, I'm not getting a Wii at launch. The pricing is insane for something that's only a little bit better than Gamecube.

Oh and by the way, you gotta buy the Opera browser. However, I don't have a problem with that because I would love to support Opera for the great work they do with their Windows browser.

Very very cool :)

250 isn't bad at all.

And 40$s for the controller isn't bad either.
Isn't the 360 one 50$s?

Yeah, but don't forget you gotta buy the nunchuk for an extra 20.

Initially I was honestly surprised that the console would be $250 dollars. I was shocked an horrified that the Wii-mote w/ Nunchuk would set be back $60. I am disappointed that Corruption is delayed. Initally I can say that I was pretty horrified and shocked. Two-hundred and fifty dollars?! Is it worth it? I don't know.

I then decided to look at Nintendo's website, as well as all the videos on Kotaku. I think that after seeing those videos I am a little more placated with the fact that I'll being dropping $250 for the system. I like the menu. I like how there are channels, and each one appears to be rather distinctive. I like the create your own character aspect, or create your many character aspects. I think the price of the Virtual Console games is manageable, though the only game I really want for VC is Chrono Trigger (PLEASE!!!). Come to think of it, 4 player Uniracers would also kick ass. Hell Nintendo, if you visit this site, and I doubt you do, Uniracers Wii. Honestly, seeing those videos made me pretty happy about the system.

That doesn't mean I am not POed about certain things. One color?! Damn, I wanted black. What happened to the Wii will launch before PS3 mantra? Maybe they know something that wii don't. If Sony continues to wait in making the console we may not be seeing the PS3 in any region this year. What about Metroid, I wanted a game to be delayed, but Metroid?! Sigh. Oh well, I guess that it will make other potential purchases easier. What the hell is up with the $60* controller? Am I made of money? Is the nunchuk really that complex? Is the American economy secretly doing awesome right now where I am supposed to have a lot of money? If so tell me, but $60* for a controller is a little high.
It is those things that sour the day.

All in all I think that Nintendo will weather the storm of naysayers, and I honestly think that once people play the console they'll be hooked. It happened with apprehensive developers, what says it won't happen with apprehensive gamers? Play before you say it sucks, you are entitled to hold off on buying something, but don't you think we should reserve judgement of whether the thing is horrible until after we've played it?** We're, for the most part, adults here, let's not use the "This is Gay because it is gay argument" If we are going to say it sucks then provide substantial evidence to back it up.

I think Nintendo delivered big today, I honestly expected them to wait a little longer to reveal everything, but somehow they spilled what appears to be most everything today. Here's looking forward to November 19.

you dont have to buy anything there not making you!

As for the price its not allot for what is really a very clever bit of kit and besides be happy they will be the equivlent of double the price her in England

I just finished watching the press conference and the gamespot crew's walkthrough.

So far, the system seems impressive.

I do wonder some things:

1. Will it play standard movie DVDs? My guess is that it should be able to.
2. Will it have backward compatibility with ports to play NES, SNES, and N64 carts as well as GameCube disks?
3. What is the game save storage capacity? And would memory cards be needed? 

I like the pack in game idea, as well as the mii and the fact that each system will have both a controller with a nunchuck. That idea encourages system sales on 2 levels: the controller will be able to store/transfer mii data when friends get together to play, and it's less cost effective to buy just the controller with a nunchuck when you can get the whole controller package with the system. Smart marketing on Nintendo's part.

All in all, I'm encouraged by what I've seen thus far. And their management plan seems solid. However, I'm still not geeked enough about it to be motivated to buy one at launch. Probably 2008 or later for me (when the price is likely to drop to under $200 and the launch games have gone down in price as well).

I'll say this much, though. Sony better be prepared to knock the socks off of the crowd at the TGS or else the PS3 is going to be dead in the water before launch. In which case I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of the PS3 reservations out there turn into Wii60s.

1. No, it doesn't play DVD movies.
2. Will work with GC discs. You have to buy NES/SNES/N64 games from the virtual console store.
3. I'm not sure.

I'd like to think i could get 2 systems by years end but i know there's several games for my 360 that i want between now and December, and it only takes 4-5 to gobble up a Wii's worth of money.

 :P

To question 3, I am fairly certain it uses the expandable SD memory.

i'm curious as to how they'll handle DRM on SD cards, i figure they'll not want people sharing files between systems, especially VC games. My guess is they'll use C2 algorithms like DVR's do.

one feature i would like to see is the ability to transfer virtual console games to the DS via wifi download.  this would add a ton of value to virtual console games if you have the option to play them on the go as well as on your tv. 

So it's going to be £179 and launch on the 8th of December over here.

The "average people" on the radio instantly made the connection to wee.

Edit: That's about $340.

I'm a little miffed that it is going to cost $50 more than I was initially expecting, but I'm still on board for launch day.  The only thing that really pisses me off is the $60 for a second controller.  I'm just hoping that Nintendo isn't going to do it to me again.  Thier launches always get me salivating, but everything after that is horrible. 

I hate this time of the year.  I was looking at games I want to reserve, and the total cost for everything will be around $700.  Fuck.

According to Play.com it comes with a "nunchunk".

http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/HP/3-/1032617/Nintendo_Wii_Console_+_Wii_Sports/Product.html

The console includes the controller with a nunchuck.

However the "Classic" controller is sold separately for $20.

And, as stated previously, to buy the controller separately, it will cost $40 + $20 for the nunchuck.

From a value standpoint, it makes sense to buy the console.

i dont think i will buy a second nunchuk out of the gate, wii sports will not require one, and neither will wario ware.  those are the only two multi player games at launch i see getting. 

i also think i will withhold from buying a retro controller, and just use a gamecube hori pad

Wha!?!? Game cube controllers are compatible with the Wii?

yes

I just looked up the controller prices on Play.com and it turns out the RRP for the remote is £30 and the nunchuck is £15. $85 for the pair!

If that's how much the "low cost" option is, I'd hate to see how much the PS3 controller will be.

Yes, you can use Gamecube controllers on them which is a nice option.  You technically don't need to be other controllers if you own a Gamecube.

Well, other than the 'mote since that's pretty much required for Wii games.

lol i still cant believe you are moaning about the price Of the system and controllers yet totally ignoring what James has posted about what the converted UK prices will be, I wish we were getting the things as cheap as you were and in such numbers 3 weeks earlier!!

Come on Alabama you know we have to pay through the nose for everything over here. It's still a bargain compared to the 360 though.

Correct

i hope to hell for our friends across the pond who own Gamecubes that this article is wrong:

Twilight Princess (http://cube.ign.com/articles/732/732852p1.html)

somehow the part about only North America getting it seemed to slip past me the first time i read it.

Ha ha, Wii is going to suck...
















more money out of your pockets than you thought it would  ::) ::)

Really though, it's going to be a weird, quirky (a.k.a. Japanese) fun box and maybe it'll sell out the wazoo because of its price tag; it'll definitely sell well in Japan, but I really don't see parents of the West buying something like this for their kids when you can buy a 360 or PS3 which satiates the chilluns and is also an entertainment center. And I really don't see parents buying the kids a 360 because it's an outdated piece of dung.

All we need is PS3.

Once again, the blu-ray thing comes up.

Once again, I say these things to keep the balance of the world.

Once again, I need to go to sleep.

Well I hope that's a f'ing joke. It isn't the end of the world though as importing games for the Gamecube is a piece of piss and you only need a disc to bypass the code, but never the less its Europe who get the raw deal yet again.

In the spirit of not turning this post into a flame fest, I'll just say this, and I can't speak for anyone else but...

LEON, YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR ME! If all YOU need is PS3, then fine, that's all YOU need.

And it sounds to me like your "balance" argument only serves as an excuse for you to have a self-imposed license to flame under the disguise of a disclaimer.

If you want to provide a good, well-structured argument, then do it. Otherwise, I'm sick of this crap and I refuse to argue with you further because I don't want to be brought down to your level.

And with all due respect, and no offense, I'm only saying these things to put things back into "balance"... ::)

I do believe I did put SOME fairly well structured argument in that post. Of course it's highlighted by dung and such but still pretty much all the stuff in the middle is valid argument.

I have personally come to believe the Wii isn't worth the while though.

After it's all said and done you spend 300$+ for what I believe to be, as Tondog said, a slightly upgraded GC.

You remember that parody of the Mac VS. PC with Wii VS. PS3? Haha very phunny, but I don't want to buy a dumb blonde when I can buy a well educated, if slightly obese, brunette.

Truth is, unless I can :pirate: one, I won't be getting any of these systems for a long time.

But I still like arguing about them. ;)

that is an interesting point, this will be nintendos first time with a standard media format.  the online component will probably have to be disabled, but i would imagine the wii will be heavily pirated, where carts and mini dvds made piracy enough of a pain to keep the problem contained on the n64 and cube.

Kinda straying off-topic for a bit...why does this statement always seem to be true?  Maybe I'm a little uneducated when it comes to the marketing strategies for these companies, but it always seems Europe gets a raw deal when it comes to games, systems, and the like.  You guys always seem to be the last people to get "stuff" released.  Why is that?

Also, I'm a little confused about this statement from that article:


Are they talking about Twilight Princess being released 12/11 or that the absolutely last game to be released on the Cube will be on 12/11?  Is the Cube officially dead?

The Game Cube has been dead for months over here however now, and to be fair it was never really alive. Retailers never really supported it, with it usually being hidden at the back of the shop with puny little displays. There might be one or two games a month which are usually multi-platform titles any way released on it. Even EA Sports games aren't being released on it any more, and you know how much EA can't resist cashing in. Nintendo probably don't see it being cost effective releasing it here, and it's probably true.

They didnt get the raw deal on the C64 and Amiga LOL.

Sounds like it will be officially dead but it has been dead for a year or so already.

Dont know why but from the start the Gamecube was never pushed like the other systems, might have something to do with it not being a "pikey" system like the Sony ones are.

Saying that the Dreamcast wasn't pushed either.

In reply to AndyC i wasn't saying we pay too much (thought we do) for our stuff its just by comparison there prices are much cheaper, i think in Australia there even more expensive.

As for getting the things later that other markets the same again we can get things late but we tend to get the better Japanese versions of games/systems not all messed about with E.G SNES

Again i think Australia and Brazil get there stuff allot later.

Wasn't pushed? For both the systems you mentioned it's more like, didn't sell to the teenage caucasians.

no they weren't pushed ,you couldn't move here for seeing PSX and PS2 shit all over the place when they came out and you know its going to be the same for the PS3, its no wonder the local scum only buy that as thats all they know some dumb bastards now even think they are all called Playstations.







P.S. Playstation is a shit and gay word

What Alabama said about the Gamecube and Dramcast is true. Retailers such as Game and Gamestation never pushed them. If you went into the shop there would be playable hubs for Playstation and latterly X-box, but not the others. Their games would be kept in a corner at the back of the store with a little poxy stand. It was like in video stores when the porn is kept in a corner at the back, people will slip by and take a curious peak but don't want to face the embarrassment of picking a case up or even worse going to the counter to pay for it.

T.V. advertising was also poor for both these consoles, are remember the dreamcast adverts being particularly shit and Game cube was only advertised at the start.
D.S. will undoubtedly do a lot better as they seem to sponsor every program on telly.

Wii download prices (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQ5JAQ-RrE&mode=related&search=)

NES   starting at   $5
SNES starting at   $8
N64  starting at  $10

WTF? what happen to $1 and $2 games?

ouch

probably the same thing that happened to getting the classic controller in the box :P

Well for a long time everyones mom called anything video game related a Nintendo because it was the big thing that all the non-hardcore gamer "scum" owned.

Well now everyone has a Playstation, the tables have turned.

Sony currently gets more space because it has more games and still sells consoles.

P.S. Wii, nuff said.



It's not about the stores, other than they put what sells in front, as far as the displays and stuff goes it's about the company's $$. If you've got the $$ to start out with then you can go nuts advertising.

companies pay for shelving space in stores, nintendo did not put much money in marketing in europe (not just commercials, but marketing on the whole) and got the less desirable shelf space

On another note I think the video was pretty nice.

Come on, walking into a game store is just likely walking into one big advert. You have big placards depicting the big new releases at the front doors, you have the hubs with the new big games, by the front doors. Even the make-believe charts they produce are just a con to get the casual gamer or even worse, the guilable parent to buy what they want you to buy.

On the subject of TV advertising over here actual games systems being pushed seems a rare occurence with the adverts being aimed more at specific games, these usually being established series or big budget titles. Public opinion is always going to favour the way they are directed by the media in whichever way it is portayed. 

Well what I'm trying to say is that there isn't some global conspiracy trying to push Sony or Microsoft products. It all boils down to money talks, nothing walks.

Reggie is my hero

No one said it was a conspiracy, and as far as i know the game company's dont pay for shelf space so its all down to the shop.

As for the "scum" comment that was me being stupid but what i mean really is the masses that buy what are essentially badly made games/cheap games in there millions meaning that the new innovative and well made games/systems get ignored and pushed out in favorer of yet more crap like the sports games "updated" year on year.

I knew what you meant about "scum" and I, for the most part, agree with you in the fact that there is a large majority of people out there who are uneducated about gaming but still want to game and so buy whatever TV, or me :ninja:, tell them too.

I just wouldn't call them scum is all, because they'll find you, and chase you, and catch you, and lynch you.

And I don't think companies pay for shelf space, they just pay for displays. But whatever system, or game, is selling the best is going to have the most shelf space, you'd be an idiot as a retailer not to have an entire wall dedicated to Madden 2007 and instead have it covered with some weird Japanese game that, no matter how good it may be, no non-gamer gamer has ever heard of. Sony has a million billion games and have sold a million billion Playstations so they've got the most shelf space.

You'd be an idiot if you did over here. Substitute Madden for FIFA 07 or Pro Evolution 6.

Ah, yes. I forgot about that strange football you have over there.

Yes, the one were you use your feet. ;)

and where players fall down without being touched

yes football (soccor) the game for true woman, actors and overpaid homos great!

i wouldnt go that far, but it certainly isnt "the beautiful game"

When I want "the beautiful game" I watch women's beach volleyball.

anyway back on topic yo think the Wii is expensive have seen that the Europe PS3 will be about $250 more then yours (of is it Japans?) now thats a rip off

No god damn it! PS3 is not a rip off. You're paying for what you get. The PS3 will be an amazing machine, that's why it's so expensive, not because Sony has a big ego about selling a crappy product for lots of loot. Will it sell? We'll see. Is it going to be a better machine than any other system? Most definitely.

here we go again

it is a ripoff, you are paying for a blu ray drive that will do very little to enhance any video game. 

if the PS3 had used a standard dvd drive with a next gen chipset, the cost would be the same or less than the 360.

convergence sucks

Having a Blu-Ray drive is not a waste.  If you want to apply that logic then the DVD drive in the Game Cube was a waste.  You were paying for a DVD reader without being able to play a DVD on it.  At least on the Sony you will be able to fully use the Blu-Ray drive. 

It't still hella expensive though.

Did I say anything specifically about the Blu-Ray? Nope. I meant that in every way the PS3, at least hardware wise, will be superior to the rest of the systems. That's why you pay the price.

It seems that finally with this gen you won't have to spend $1,800+ on a PC to see good graphics.

Blu Ray is being forced onto the consumer. That's what I don't like about it. I will never watch a Blu Ray movie on a PS3 so why should I be forced to pay for it. Sure the storage is bigger for games but it won't be filled. Games are moving towards multi title releases to tell the whole story due to development costs. Make one long game release it in 3 parts to make more money. So with more storage for games does that mean more movie like cut scenes? If so that will suck ass.

but it is a waste, to include DVD movie playback in a device, hardware companies have to pay a licensing fee.  nintendo went without this mostly frivlous feature in the cube and the wii. 

with blu ray, there is no real gaming benefit.  you get more storage space, but the only real use this space will serve is for more uncompressed FMVs. 

so in the end, you pay more for the actual console, and more for the games as sony has to recoup their per-unit loss by increasing the licensing fee to game publishers, who pass the cost on in the form of a 59.95 MSRP - it isnt just dev costs going up

Nope.  Sony owns the Blu-Ray spec so they do not have to liscence it from anyone. 

I don't think that anyone can say there is no benifit to having more space.  Just because current games don't use the extra space doesn't mean the games coming out towards the end of the PS3's life will not use it.  Sony is making it easy on themselves now and in the future.
   
The Blu-Ray spec is not being forced onto the consumer.  If you are only using the PS3 for gaming then what difference does it make what format the game comes in?  If you want to watch movies at higher quality than DVD you can choose the HD-DVD spec. 

ownership is not the issue, nintnedo saved money by not offering dvd playback, and while you are correct that sony does not have to pay itself a licensing fee, a blu ray drive does have a major impact on the price of production and the MSPR


there isnt any space issue on current or next gen games that cant be solved with a simple disk swap.  dvds cost next to nothing to press.  which is a better value, two DVDs that cost a few cents each to press and runs perfectly, or one blu ray DVD that costs much more to press, and requires expensive hardware?
  

the difference is at least 200 dollars just for the cost of the hardware, and lots of invisible cost in the increased price in games

So your main complaint is that new technology is expensive?  Brilliant.

There isn't any space issue on the current platforms that can't be fixed by swapping out floppy disks either.  Sony is making the experience better by not needing multiple disks.

your main rebuttal is sarcasm, MORE BRILLIANT!!






more sarcasm, even more brilliant!



its an issue of cost-benefit.  for the extra cost, the benefits of blu ray are pretty thin.  swapping out a dvd after 20+ hours of gameplay is not a big enough annoyance that i am willing to spend an extra 200 bucks to fix it.

yes there are other non-gaming benefits (read convergence), a blu ray movie player will look great... when i purchase an HDTV.  and what is keeping me from buying one of those... price!

I think the argument is why couldn't sony make a less expensive version of the PS3 by simply not including a Blu-Ray player?

For example, if Sony gave consumers a PS3 without a Blu-Ray player which would bring the PS3 down to a $400 price point, would there be this much complaining about Blu-Ray? I don't think so. Instead, Sony has taken the decision out of the consumer's hands and TOLD them that they're getting a Blu-Ray player.

I'd rather have an option to decide for myself whether or not I wanted one instead of a "take it or leave it" by Sony. And in this case, I'm leaving it.

HD-DVD for me. And I would LOVE to eventually hear that Nintendo is making a HD-DVD add on for the Wii.  ;D

i would rather just buy a separate component next-gen dvd player that plays both formats.  it will most likely do a much better job than anything shoehorned into a video game system

I agree or two seperate players.

:freakboy:

Gamestop said that they'd likely begin preorders late next week. Toys R Us doesn't know if they are doing preorders for Wii yet, but they said they were not going to do PS3 preorders.

Buy a Wii before June, get Opera for free.

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/09/26/

Or, get on your PC and download Opera for free.

But really,you have to pay for a browser? Why?

And Hydro is right, PS3 is truly going to be a Next Gen system. Rather than a slightly improved PS2 with a new controller it's crazy full of new stuff. I would rather pay lots for what's new than a little for what's improved.

And both HDTV and Blu-Ray will not be integral parts of your living room until years from now. But won't you be glad you have it? (I know you won't because you aren't going to buy one :P)

P.S. I'd much rather have one disc instead of ten.

P.S.S. Why don't people complain about 360 game prices?

The official word on the launch:

"A number of outlets have reported a misstatement about the number of Wii consoles that will be available in the Americas during the launch rollout. In fact, the truth is even better. After the Americas lead the worldwide launch on Nov. 19, Nintendo expects to sell 4 million Wii consoles globally by the end of 2006, with the largest allotment available in the Americas. Although we expect a huge demand for the consoles, we are working to ensure a plentiful supply and a consistent flow."

Oh, and drool...

From IGN, obviously

That's EXACTLY my point! Sony is force-feeding a Blu-Ray player on the consumer by building it into the PS3 and using it to justify charging the $599 price when they could've just charged a $399 price and later come out with a Blu-Ray player add-on later. But Sony wasn't willing to take that risk. Why? Because they don't trust that Blu-Ray is a strong enough media to be able to stand on its own, so they piggyback it into the PS3.

And let's take this one step further. If Blu-Ray takes off, hypothetically, won't people eventually want a Blu-Ray that also records? In which case, the PS3 player-only will be obsolete.

I like the approaches of both Nintendo and Microsoft. They're both letting the consumer make up their own minds. Nintendo realizes that they can save $$$ by not including any DVD player capabilities in their console to offer the consumer a lower console price; and MS realizes that if consumers want to buy a HD-DVD player, they can give them the option to buy the peripheral without forcing them into a higher priced console by including it by default.

Schweet!!!

MS did screw up by not having a hard drive in every Xbox 360.

totally, the base unit is a complete waste of time (unless i manage to find a used one incredibly cheap)

Close-Up Look at the Wii Hardware
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Only 49 days left until I can touch my own Wii :P

Much news on the Wii front courtesy of our friends at www.nintendojo.com!  Nintendo will be selling an Ethernet kit for those without wireless and carrying cases for the system and games will also be available.  That is good news for those without wireless.  On a totally shitty note it looks like Gamestop might be the only stores where you can actually demo and try the Wii  :grrr:!  Man, I hate that store.  Go visit nintendojo.com for these news flashes.

Some Blogs are reporting that Square-Enix will be supporting virtual console. On that topic I have the following to say:

Chrono Trigger

That is all.

actually there's an official list of VC supporters that's been out for awhile now

VC list (http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732802p1.html)

Wii Preorders confirmed to start tomorrow at open for GameStop/EB.

(From Kotaku)

Big F'n deal.  Gamestop Shamestop.  Any word on Toys 'R Us?  On another note it seems that sunlight causes the sensor on the Wii to not respond correctly with the Wiimote.  Lets hope this is sorted out!

They responded to that rumor about sunlight and said that if the sunlight interferes with your ability to see then it probably interferes with the wiimote, and that is all, personally I don't think that is so terrible, since I don't think anyone will be playing it in direct, blinding sunlight anyways.

Well, I am going to be at GameStop tomorrow morning, hopefully I'll get a preorder.

I'm going to be there at 6 A.M. tomorrow to reserve my Wii.

Sunlight screws up the Wii mote? :P that sucks. Stupid wireless crap it's all so stupid. Sure in a year or two everything'll be wireless, but I'll still hate it. And at 6AM tomorrow I'll be zzz or still playing WoW. Probably the former.

well, I just plan on staying up all night so it's not like I have to get up early or anything.  (staying up all night for me just means staying up an extra two hours)

oh yeah, I was the first guy to get a Wii pre-ordered today.  The Gamestop was suppose to get 14 of them but Nintendo called them after closing last night they got a call saying that they were only getting six.  Good thing I showed up at 6:45 because there were like 20 behind the last guy who could get one.  The latest anyone got there who got one was 7:00.

Yeah, I got mine this morning, I went to an obscure GameStop no one knows about, and I was 7th in Line when the doors open. The location was nice enough to let people know how many Wiis there were available for preorder as well (8). I was lucky, as I went to a different location at 9:40, and I would have been at least 10th, so I bolted for the other location, and got there by 9:50.

Something just occurred to me about the Wii. It seem that in almost all the Wii videos where they show gamers moving the Wii-mote while playing a game, there's almost nothing else around them in the room.

It gets me to wonder if the quality of the gaming experience you'll get from the Wii is dependant upon how spacious a living room you have...

Yeah, will the wireless cut out if a cat walks in front of the reciever? I know that my retarded wi-fi cuts out if someone walks inbetween it and the modem, but that;s just crappy wi-fi. I guess the Wii mote won't really be at a range where that matters though.

Well, I tried to get a reservation for the Wii at gamestop a few weeks ago and no luck.  I went the 14th and they ran out of slots on the 13th.

So I heard that TRU was going to be accepting reservations on the 29th.  I go into a TRU at 1 pm and no luck.  The line for reservations was wrapped around the building before they even opened.

So I guess this means that I will have to camp out in front of Best Buy like I did for the PS2.  Oddly enough, I can't wait.   ;D

Where are you located? I'm wondering if you're in a big city or a smaller town.

After looking at more video of the Wii in action, I'm convinced that it will be a fun system, and that I want to try it out more than the PS3. Soooo, bye bye PS3 until next year or the year after, hello Wii! I never got a GameCube, so this will also allow me to catch up on what it had to offer.

I missed out on the Wii preorder extravaganza at Gamestop a few weeks ago, but I'm going to go and pre-order Zelda, Red Steel, a mote, and nunchaku. I'll show at Gamestop at midnight with a friend who preorded a Wii and try buying one at that time. If that fails, at least I'll have all that junk I don't have to worry about getting later. Then I'll hit up Wal Mart (w00t, open 24 hours!) sometime before 1 AM. If all that fails I'll go over to my friend's house, play some Wii, go back home, take a nap, and show up at Target around 6:30 or so for their opening at 8 AM. If that fails, well, Best Buy opens later. :D

Come hell or high water, I will get a Wii before noon on Nov 19.

Nice plan but it isn't going to work.  You'll be waiting until Christmas or beyond for your Wii like the rest of us you didn't pre-order!!!

Mwahaha.... I have a preorder....

Is it November 19th yet?

I'm sure there will be plenty of Wiis to go around.

I was in Best Buy yesterday and they had a Wii display. It was not playable though. I was in Gamestop about half an hour ago and they had one too. This one I did get to try. I played a race on Excite Truck. It was pretty cool but the novelty of steering the remote (for me anyway) will wear off quickly and I'll want to use a standard controller. I didn't try to steer using the d-pad on the remote, not sure if you could or not.

I didn't pre-order one but I still think the Wii will be the first of the new consoles I do get.

(He wasn't impressed) ;)

it didn't knock my socks off. but I only played a basic off-road racer with the only unique feature being a motion sensitive controller.

I've played a 360 a few times to and while I enjoyed it (namely Dead RIsing) it didn't really blow me away either.

now... Guitar Hero II?.... oh mama!

I've officially solidified my plans to camp out for a Wii.  I found out about how many systems the Best Buy near me will have in stock, when they open, and who's going with me.  I'm bringing my camera to capture all the fun.  If it's anything like the PS2 launch, it should be a blast.

I know you get them earlier in America so i dont know what the amount of consoles were are getting here in England.

I preorderd my Wii on the 26th September at GAME after getting an email from them so think there will be enough to go round but definatly dont think there will be any left over and know for sure that noone will be campin in the middle of town for one people here are far too lazy! :)

It's not about lack of laziness, it's about freezing your ass off for a stupid reason with fellow hardcore gamers, which is fun. When I went to Best Buy the night of the 360 release I almost jumped into line just to be a part of it. But then I remembered it was a line for the 360 and so I scissor kicked the guy in the front of the line, carved a big Sony S onto his forhead with my rapier, and swung away into the night on a conveniently placed rope while shouting my allegiance to the great Sony empire in Japanese.

Careful Leon. Comments like that will only let newcomers to our site think that you're a Sony fanboy.

I'll either be picking my system up at midnight at gamestop or waking up and leisurely getting it in the morning, since I have a preorder :P Here's hoping Nintendo doesn't screw over their customers like  Sony did (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/13/gamestop-cannot-fill-ps3-preorders/).

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That was the stores fault, not Sony's.

Oh, but of course! It would NEVER be Sony's fault!  ::) Thank you SOOOOO MUCH, Leon, for pointing that out. Whatever would we do without your grand objective insight about the Sony corporation?  ::)...go back to eating your Sony Fanboy Excrement Sandwich.

Don't run from the truth phoenix, embrace it. I think, deep down, there's a little Sony in you, there has to be, there's a little Sony in all of us. I call mine Sony Chiba, he's a movie star.

Come on, let's all recite the PlayStation Loyalists Pledge of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance to the PlayStation,
and Sony Computer Entertainment America,
and to the games,
for which they make,
three consoles,
under Sony,
undefeatable,
with fun and gaming justice for all.

LMAO!  :rofl:

And to your point, yes I do own a PS2 and a smattering of games for it. So I guess that there is a little Sony in all of us. But that doesn't mean that we blindly agree with all they stand for (we'll leave that to the fanboys ;)). 

I might try and get one Sunday.

I get my Wii at midnight and I don't have to camp out to do it.

http://www.planetgamecube.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=12415

I just got my phone call from Aeris.... my Wii can be picked up Sunday at Midnight... I know what I'll be doing all overnight on Saturday.

is it somehitng with a Donkey 3 Gophers and a tub of butter?

WTF LMAO

Well, my wife is actually the one to convince me to camp out.... and she is doing it too!!!!  So hopefully two Wii's for us.  She's actually more excited than me.  Who would have imagined?

A co-worker played Wii Sports at Best Buy, and now she must have one. I'm kind of shocked.

Well, the moment has come, and damn it is awesome.

I'm hardcore old skool Sega and have yet to own a Nintendo product..... but to be perfectly honest the Wii is the closest I've come to getting a Nintendo system despite it's name even.  I saw a pre-order sheet for the Wii with only $39 upfront, and a total price of $400 (yes, Australian currency sucks, and people after the top end PS3 here have to be crazy as it's $999)

So I think Nintendo have a good thing going here, not to mention it has a big jump on the PS3 here since the PS3 wont even come out until after the Xmas rush around March?!

So I was surprised by just how modest Nintendo's approach is as shown in this headline. They aren't even attempting to be no.1, they are happy with 3rd place as long they double their sales figures of the Game Cube. However this modest approach in itself may be Nintendo's marketing strategy as with this attitude, they aren't as likely to turn people against them. I mean I prefer it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061119/tc_nm/media_nintendo_wii_dc_5

They launch at noon today here. Due to labor laws in Manitoba, nobody did midnight or early launches. We have two plans so if one doesn't pan out another will hopefully. We have backup plans as well. Bought supplies (bottles of soda, blah) and are ready to go. Leaving here at quarter after nine so you guys'll know by about 2-3pm est if I got one - unless I get one and am too busy with it to post.

I thought about waiting in line for the Wii. We drove by Best Buy at 11PM and there was only 3 people in line.

We got our Wii, 4th in line. Haven't opened it yet cause we had to run some errands but we'll get into it soon as we eat.

There were a bunch of people at Best Buy last night.

We spit on them.

my parents decided to be awesome and pick one up as an xmas gift for me.....so, they tried at a few places....no luck....so, they randomly walked into EB and asked about it.....and EB sold them one.....WITHOUT a preorder.....no i just have to wait a month until i go home for xmas.....

My local Best Buy had 87 units.  I got there at about 8:45 PM, and was 10th in line.  All 87 units were spoken for by about 6:00 AM.  I'm just glad that I was one of the first few, as I don't think that they had enough copies of Zelda to go around.

Had to deal with hecklers about every half hour up until around 2 AM, including one mooner.  Has several people drive by after midnight waving their Wii boxes out the window.  One guy leaned out of the side door of a van and nearly fell out with his Wii in hand.  Too many hilbillies in our area here.

Just for fun, I checked all the retail locations around me.  All of them had signs out front saying they were sold out of both the PS3 and the Wii.

the Wal-mart in Exton, PA had a sign on the door that said "PS3 allotment - 20GB = 0 60GB = 0 .... We are sorry, but there was a manufacturers recall on the Sony Playstation 3, so none will be available at this location.  Sorry for the inconvenience." or something to that effect.....so, looks like the PS3 launch is off to just about the start that we all figured it would have.....im glad im waiting until the 1st price drop for my PS3

The line I was in ahd one group of kids come by and show off there Wii (giggle).  They were mocked mercilessly and left with frowns on their faces.  Other than that, there were no "drive by mockings".  I probably would have done something stupid if there were.

My brother does not know it yet, but he has the dreaded 110213 error, which means that his Wii is fucked and needs to be returned. I feel bad for him, but at least he is currently clueless. Luckily, my Wii did not have this error.

What's this error? Never heard of it before now.

Haha, Wii's are faulty.

Shoulda got a Playstation!

 ::)

(come on, make the thread about faulty Playstations)

I think this forum is anti-Sony enough, and oh, by the way, your cousin loves Wii Sports Boxing.

Yeah, I keep trying to contact Nintendo's Customer Service Line, and it keeps giving a busy signal. I can't help but think there are issues abound.

Well, I got in line at 6:15 p.m. Saturday and they gave us the tickets at 6:45 a.m. Sunday.  We ended up going to Target and got our wiiiiiiiiiiii's!!!!  Has any been able to get there internet connected on the Wii?  I had issues getting connected but finally I did but than it went to update and it came back with an internet error.  GRRRR!! HELP!!!  Other than that, though, this thing is the SHITTTTTTTT!  Ty, if you're nice I might let you come over and play.  I'll have to ask the wife...

Ahhh, error 32002 is an error in which it could not connected with Nintendo's servers.  It's not my fault!  It's Nintendo's!!!  Yea!

If it makes you feel any better shaggy I also could not connect to the Wii Shop Channel today, and my brother's Wii has to be RMAed.

Are you sure that 32002 indicates a problem on Nintendo's side?  I haven't had any problems with my Wii connecting to the network, but a friend of mine was getting 32002.  I walked him through a couple of settings in his router (MAC filtering, firewall options, DMZ, etc) and it ended up being something to do with his WEP settings.  I had him turn WEP off to test things, and his 32002 went away.

On the other hand, I use WEP and have had no problems yet.  He has a pretty crappy ISP supplied router, so that may have been the problem.  Anyway, I just suggest trying a couple of things with your network to see if you might be able to correct any issues.

Anyway, loving the Wii here...

According to Nintendo's website that error is an error on Nintendo's server.  However, I did get the net working on the Wii.  You can't trust what those errors say!   This is for everyone out there: CHANGE YOUR CHANNEL TO 11!!  That is the problem I had with mine.  Once I changed the channel my Wii established a connection and updated flawlessly.  If you know someone or you yourself cannot connect try changing your channel on the modem/router to 11.

Yeah, I tried everything to get my brother's Wii to work, it's fucked fucked in terms of going online.

Ooo double fucked. The worst kind.

For some reason that makes me want to watch Kill Bill (Vol. II)

I think I will.

Just so everyone knows, Sega has revealed when two of it's venerated Genesis games come out via their website.

Gunstar Heroes- 12/11/06
Toejam & Earl- 12/25/06

http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=vconsole&lid=gp_vconsole&lpos=nav_pldwnlst

PS: Nintendo, release some good SNES games. Most Sincerely, the gaming public.

Has anyone else had issues with artifacting on the Wii (white speckles showing up in the same place during certain events)? I've noticed it in Dragon Ball Z and the the Globe Screen on the Wii Forecast Channel, and I find it bothersome. Is it really just coincidence that my brother's Wii bricked and I have Artifacting issues, or is there a bigger problem out there with the Wii?

Odd, I haven't seen anything like this.  Are you using component or composite video?

I verified that it was a hardware problem by checking both cables to see if it occurred. It did, and I called Nintendo. They are going to replace the system, because well, artifacts suck. I guess that means that in 5 days I'll have a new Wii Number.

How many Wiis must your family go through?

This will be the second Wii to have issues. I guess we are really unlucky.

My Wii did something strange twice.

I had finished my gaming session normally and turned the system "off" with the Wiimote (and the system was in the "yellow light online" standby).  When I came back to play next, the system would not turn on.  The controller would flash like it coulnd't find the Wii.  I had to unplug the system and plug it back in (and the system went into "red light offline" standby), before it would work again.

This happened twice, both about a week or two after I got the system.

I've had that happen on several occasions, I found it to be very weird. We had an occasion at St0rmTK421's house where the damn thing had problems syncing period, but since I am getting my Wii replaced I'm over it. I just wish the Elebits Save would copy to the SD card, which it won't.

Nintendo has seemed to have joined the other two for hardware quirks, lord knows the xbox, 360, ps2 and ps3 have them. Nintendo is usually spot-on for this sort of thing, I mean how many problems have you heard of with their hardware after the Nes?

Now here we are with DS's with various little annoyances or defects and now Wii's. I think the pressure for manufacturing large numbers has made them relax QA for sake of speed.

They need to do some updates with there stuff such as letting us able to put all our saves onto an SD card.  I don't get that BS.  I can understand the VC games but the regular game saves.  Also they need to do some updates with the Forecast channel.  Maybe this could be saved as a weekly chat topic...

[img width=416 height=312]http://www.infendo.com/uploaded_images/wiiwtf8pe-792606.jpg[/img]

This image describes my feelings of Nintendo's thinking behind the name perfectly :P

Hey Wii Owners, go download the Everybody Votes Channel, located at the Wii Shop.

My Wii is not online and I am not sure if it will ever be online. Or until I get the adapter that lets me make it a wired system.

just get a wireless router....its the way to go....

I have a wireless router. I have heard people have nothing but trouble getting it online. I put my WEP in twice when I first set up my Wii but it didn't work. I know I will get pissed when I can't get it to connect so I haven't tried again.

I'm not sure why, but the Wii seems to have trouble operating on the default channel on wireless routers.  Mine worked just fine, but I had to change the channel on both my uncle's router and for one of my friends.

I don't remember the channel it needs to be on, but that might be a place to start checking.

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Any why the hell doesn't the DS support WPA? It doesn't have to be WPA2, but c'mon people.  WEP can be hacked in about 10 - 15 minutes if you know what you're doing. I hate that I have to run my whole network at a lower security setting just for the DS.  I even thought about running a seperate network segment off of my main network's DMZ with a wireless access point specifically for the lower encryption on the DS. WTF Nintendo? I love the DS, but how about a firmware update or something that lets us use WPA?
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channel 11 if i recall correctly

Channel 1 or 11


WEP or WPA doesn't matter to me. I just turned on WEP on my router for the first time in 5 years.

Nintendo is only a slight whore.

Metroid Prime 3 to launch in the US on August 20 from the evil site (http://wii.ign.com/articles/790/790231p1.html)

So, I'm slightly interested to see if Composers correspond to characters.

Sora and Riku for the win.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music01.html

I'm having a problem getting online. I'm using a wireless router. I did the test connection and it was successful. I can view the news & weather. I just can't get on the Wii Shop Channel. When I try the Wii Shop Channel, it just stays on one particular screen and does nothing for a few hours. How do I change the channel to either 1 or 11?

Hit it with a big rock until it switches.

Wii?
Wiimote?
Wiitarded.
Kams doesn't like wii.
Every time i play the wii, I can't help but feel like it's just a cheap gimmick; a gamecube with a power glove.
The system isn't even capable of 720p HD output. C'mon.
I  end up playing wii every few weeks/months, and every time..i walk away feeling like everything could have been accomplished just as well with a control pad or joystick. also, that sensor bar blows ass. I haven't experienced such lousy wireless since the early 90s.
Oh well, you get what you pay for. Cough up another $200 and get a real system, I mean, a 360.

Wow, you, Tondog, and TheMalignedLeon need to make a group.

Anyways, to be honest, the games up to now have been.... gimmicky. I hope that when the big guns come out that this trend changes.

Hey, I'm a Wii supporter!

But most of the games so far have been gimmicky crap. I will be really disappointed in it if they don't move beyond that territory and get more games with substance. DS is kind of suffering the same thing right now.

It is somewhere in the setting of your router.

The only two games I have so far are WiiSports and Zelda. Both fantastic.

The Wii is the way of the future. I'm a die-hard Sony fan and I opted for a Wii instead. That's gotta say something.


Go get Castlevania: Portrait Of Ruin and let that take over your life. Quite possibly the best game on DS right now.

It can't be. Phoenix Wright or Hotel Dusk is. DS is the savior of the adventure genre.

ds sucks too.
I had a ds for the last year(still do) rarely used it...just bought a psp last week. goes to work with me daily. sony ftw!

I'm using my DS a lot more than other systems lately. I can see where someone wouldn't like DS much if you aren't a fan of platformers, adventures, puzzle games, or those odd brain age type games like I am. There isn't much else of note on the system.

Wii VC: 4.7m downloads, 100 games (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171850.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;7)


"Today, Nintendo further touted the Wii's success by announcing the platform's virtual console has hit a dual milestone. First, with the Monday release of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, the platform's Virtual Console will now have a catalog of 100 games. Originally released in 1988, Zelda II has not yet been priced on the VC, but original NES games typically sell for 500 Wii points ($5). "


"Secondly, Nintendo today announced that more than 4.7 million Virtual Console games have been downloaded worldwide since the Wii launched on November 19, 2006."


That's a whole lot of downloads :o