RF Generation Message Board

ok guys, the shit is setup.
got a free league with Yahoo and who ever wants to join needs to sign up.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1

i'm not too sure how you sign up for it so let me know what happens.

i need your email addy if you want to join.  i think that you need to be invited.
either send a PM to me or post it here.

izret101@yahoo.com if you need the yahoo adress.
          ^ @comcast for my normal address

nepentheani AT yahoo.com is my Yahoo account.

Izret - you may want to take the @ out of your e-mail address.  There are programs out there that go to every website out there scanning for e-mail addresses.  You will prolly get on lots of spam lists if you don't so what nep did.

I know that but i dont care because i dont use yahoo mail. I have a2 or 3 adresses there anyways. Thats why i didn't retype my comcast address.

Alright, my team is in.  |D
How and when are we gonna do the draft?  We should probably get it done before next weeks games.

And the Minibosses will bring home the crown!

I just PM'd but isn't it a bit late for this?

It's a little late, but we can still get a league in.  We can consider this a training league for a real one next year.

Rick?  Any new developments here?

well so far only myself and sauza have signed up in the league.
i sent den an invite email but it was to his old addy i guess.  so i will send one to his new addy.  if someone has NOT gotten an invite email please let me know.  
as soon as everyone is signed up we can draft.  and like sauza said it would be good to get this thing going before this weeks games.

as for the draft right now its just random.  dont worry tho, we can change it if everyone wants to.  we could have the draft on the board i guess.  or they have a live draft over at yahoo, but i'm not too sure how that works.  please let me know what you guys think.

hydro:  did you want in also?  if so i need your email.

I really dont know what is going on with this so i will just keep checking back i guess until you tell me what to do.

I just had a wonderous thought... might i have to check my yahoo account to join.
I am not going to bother until i am told. I checked it about 6 months ago and i had over 600 emails waiting for me.

Okay, I'm signed up.  Hit me up when the draft is going to happen and let me know what the heck I have to do to get Roethlisburger.

You do, and you have now been told.

I'm in i had to go through about 200 emails but i found it.
You better watch out for the Veilleuxes!

sweet

so den is left and hydro if he wants in.  then we can draft.

who wants to have a random draft or a draft on the boards?

random is were yahoo picks the players for us automatically and i would not know how to conduct a regular draft that we would do ourselves.  if everyone wants to go thru the draft and pick on the boards (here at RFG) then we need to set a date (saturday would be good for me) and maybe sauza or den could be so kind to head it up.  since i dont know what i am doing with it.  

trades can also e made throughout the season (regardless of the type of draft we have).  so keep that in mind i guess.  yahoo has break downs of players and defenses also if you want to brush up on who is good to get in the draft or to trade for.

let me know what you guys think.

ps - i hope that nep's team is called "the grammar nazis" :P

I would prefer a random draft but if everyone else wants to draft their own players i dont really mind.

it ust seems like it would be easier to have an 'auto draft' (i was calling it a random draft).
i dont think that everyone will have to be online at that time and it will be quick and easy.

The front page of Yahoo says:



I dunno if that means we have to do an auto draft, but that's the impression I got.  Oh, and does the "Edit Pre-Draft Rankings" thing have any bearing on what players are chosen for your team in an auto-pick?

we can do an off-line draft (which would prolly be easiest if done on the RFG boards somehow)
or the auto draft.
as for the pre-draft rankings i dont know.  i'll check it out.

bones i didnt see edit pre-draft rankings anywere...

but i did see that it has you and me in a head ot head battle for week 4!
;)

alright, we are going to have an auto-draft.
what you guys need to do is edit your pre-draft list.
goto yahoo fantasy football, then to 'my team', then to 'edit pre-draft list'.
put the players in the order that you want them.  you can take players off the lilst completely also.  or if you feel comfortable with yahoo's rankings you dont have to do a thing.  

i want to draft on friday when i get home from work (about 4 - 4:30).
that way we will have some time on saturday to move players iin your rosters and trade if need be.

any questions?
thanks

Yeah, I think an auto draft would be best for now.  If we get a league together next year we can do a live draft.  This should help those that haven't played fantasy football yet.

I would recommend editing pre-draft rankings. Yahoo is usually not very up to date on these and you don't want to get players with long term injuries. I was looking through it and saw Marcel Shipp, Kellen Winslow Jr and Correl Buckhalter ranked. All ar out for the season with injuries.

so just a heads up to look at those rankings and exclude injured guys.

Thanks for the headfs up. I would have assumed long term injured players would not be chooseable.

Sure, I'm in.
Arrrhalomynn is my yahoo thingy too.

ok arrr, i sent you the invite to your yahoo email.

this should be a good time. :rock:

I wait for this Sunday eagerly.
Make my pics, read the funnies, see how i do with FF play MK Deception.... hmmm...

Oh yeah, how are we going to determine draft order?

how about first pick to the oldest board member, last pick to the youngest?

ok, i set up the auto draft and then got this message on the overview of the league:


oh and the draft order was random.  i could have set the order but that would have just of caused trouble ;)

Looks like we missed out on Week 4.

Guess so.
BTW Shady i am not Rusty Trombones.

week 5 actually.

w00t!

we are on!  the draft is over and we are playing week 5!

Jesus.  I totally f'ed up my pre-draft rankings.  I didn't realize I only got to have like 15 people on my team.  I thought the bench was a lot bigger than three players.  Ghaaah.  Oh, and whoever took Ward (and all of the other WR's I had picked) ahead of me - you suck.  I think about six WR's I had in my lineup were all taken, so I ended up with the shitty ones at the end of my list (that I just put on there because I liked them in college).

There was a problem:
• The league is not in pre-draft mode. (Error #209)


shit, too late.

that would be me.

get those lineups in guys!

lol

hey there tsnakes68!  (the 68 should have given it away)

sucks when 2 of your 3 QB's are on a bye in the same week.  man i suck.

Sucks when you have NO wide receivers.

lol

you got rothlisburger {sp?) tho.  you wanted him right?
and didnt you get the ravens defense?  i got stuck with the bengals defense... how fun is that. :laugh:

I got the Ravens Defense, Indiana's D as a backup, Roethlisburger, Manning (yay), J. Lewis, and J. Bettis.  All of those are pretty good.  As for WR and TE, though.....  pffff.  Who needs those, anyway? (sarcasm)

J. Lewis is reported to miss 2 games after baltimore's bye week for a suspension.
he is going to do some hard time after the season also.

Wow, this is wonderful.  My team may actually be worse than the Bengals.

my team name in the keeper league I've been in for like 12 years is the Trousersnakes.

and in keeping with the male genitalia related team name some others I've used in various leagues:

Little Purple Helmets
Throbbing Shafts
Muscle of Love
Duck Butter

and of course...

Rusty Trombones

Wow you just went all out for penis synonyms huh?

Hey I just noticed that not only is J. Lewis suspended and I have no wide receivers, but both of my kickers have a bye this week.  Yippie.

If there's time for me to deal in, I will.

jonlester@atari.net

Thanks...I never played fantasy football before...

I think Lewis is still playing this week though. I looked at your roster and yeah, the draft didn't go to well for you. Still, there's plenty of good players available though that won't help you this week. With only 6 teams all our rosters should be stacked, comb that waiver wire there are some good guys to be had.

this abbreviated season will give everyone who's never done this before a chance to get a feel for it. next year we can be better prepared.

i'm sorry jonlester, but i tried to invite you and it wont let me cause we already drafted.

We can always do a fantasy basketball or something when that comes along.  I've never watched an NBA game in my life, but I'd sign up for it anyway.  Hopefully then we won't be getting it all together on such short notice.

I've done fantasy NBA before. it's a bit more time consuming to manage your team. since the games are all week you have to change your lineup everyday. I've also done hockey and baseball and it's the same deal.

the beauty of fantasy football is all the games are Sunday/Monday (with the occasional Thursday or Saturday) so you only need to make one lineup change a week.

I'm up for fantasy NBA though, let's do it. too bad we can't do hockey, fucking NHL labor dispute.

so are we electing Shady as the official RFGen fantasy sports commisioner?

Fine by me. But im only in for the Fantasy Football. I am stil trying to figure out what i'm doing here.

I'm a go for  fantasy basketball.  I call dibs on Carmelo Anthony A.K.A. the player we should of drafted instead of Darko "hunk of shit" Milicic

Well, you kicked my ass this week.  Next week I'm up against Den, so it looks like I'm going to be starting 0-2 at least.

You were 3 players short and i beat you by 12. Seriously think about what i said. I have to check out most of my line up to see if i am going to can anyone(once i figure out how to get rid of them and add someone else) The only guy i know for sure im not getting rid of is Preist Holmes.

there's still some solid fantasy guys on the waiver wire.

QB: Jake Delhomme, David Carr, Jake Plummer, Drew Brees

RB: Duce Staley. Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber

WR: Koren Robinson, Laverneus Coles, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith

sure all the Priest Holmes and Terrel Owens are gone but there are still some point getters up for grabs.

hey that s fine.  but instead of NBA, is there a fantasy league for college basketball?  they dont have as many games each week and it seems like it would be easier.  

if not i'm in for the NBA league.  i dont have a problem with setting it up either.

Hey thats my guy |D... but everyone already knew that didnt they...
I need to get some defensive players. according to my friend anyways.
I will put some time into checking out my teams stats vs. whoever is left for me to choose from.

Anybody want Ahman Green?  All I want in return is a decent no. 2 Quarterback.  This makes three leagues that he blew the game for me in.  I now despise the Packers, and I can't wait for the Lions to trounce them next week.

Gah.  Both Indiana and Baltimore have a bye the same week, so I'm out a RB, QB (Manning), and have no defense.

Edit: Nevermind.  I thought I was going to have to wait a week again to make additions at this point.  I was wrong.  Lewis is still a doo doo face though.

Edit2: I'm totally not understanding the waiver thing.  I added the Pittsburgh Defense, and it showed up immediately.  Then I tried to add Mason (Tennessee WR), but that shows up as a waiver and I won't know if it's successful until the 14th.  Then I added David Carr and he showed up immediately.  What the h-e-double-hockeystick is going on here?

when you are in the list of available players look at the type, it's one of the last columns to the right. it will be FA (Free Agent) or W (waivers). if it's a W it will also have a date. Guys with a W are guys that were dropped from other rosters. I dropped Derrick Mason. Guys on waivers have a wait period in case any other team want that player as well. On the League page you will see your teams waiver priority, if 2 teams claim the same player the person with a higher waiver priority gets him.

Waiver priority will change based on standings. Before week 1 I had first priority for waivers since I had the last pick in the draft order. Prior to completion of week 1's games all undrafted players were on waivers. Since week one is now complete all undrafted players are Free Agents and available first come, first serve. All dropped players are on waivers and are subject to waiver priority.

I think that's right anyway.

Don't know how but i am in second. I think i will stick with my guns and keep everyone i got.

Thanks for the clarification, Den.  It all makes a lot more sense now.  I guess if you dropped Mason and I'm up against you this week, it's probably a bad sign for me that I'm picking up your leftovers.  Ah well.  I just hope I don't get completely clobbered.

Well I'm not worried about it...I'd hate for it to be one more thing I don't keep up with every day. I'll see how it goes for all of you.

What the heck does the "P" stand for?  "Q" is questionable, I assume "D" is disabled or something....  but what is a "P"?  Probable?

yeah, probable.  thanks to sauza i also know that DTD is day to day.  i had never heard that in an injury report before.

D = doubtful

Den, I've got this Minnesota/New Orleans game on via Yahoo's GameChannel, and Culpepper has already gotten two TD's just barely into the second quarter.  It's disgusting how badly you're going to beat me this week.  He had five last week and as things are going so far, he could get that many again today.  I'm in for a whooping.

I think i am going to whoop Christy who ever that is....
I hope i don't go up against Den too soon.

Christy is my cousin.  Good for you.  As for Den, not only did Culpepper throw a third TD already, but he threw it to one of the receivers Den has.  Twelve points for Den on one TD, discounting points gained on yards.  That's a dangerous combination he has there.  I am so bad at this.

Good god :o. I feel for you, thats terrible .
You should change you're name to Los Huesos Asesinados the way things are going for you so far.

my team does appear to be faring quite well thus far.

Yeah, who thought that Caulpepper was going to blow up like this.  18 touchdowns in 6 games?  That is unheard of.

What is it with the QB's of the teams I go up against throwing ninety TD's?  McNabb didn't throw a single TD last week.  Heck, he's only thrown 5 TD's in the last four weeks combined.  Today he threw four so far, and it's in OT.  He could throw a fifth.  Ghaaaaaaaaaaa.

Are these the scoring settings the league has?


Offensive statistics and point modifiers:
Every 50 passing yards       =       1 point
Each passing TD       =       6 points
Each interception thrown       =       -2 points
Every 20 rushing yards       =       1 point
Each rushing TD       =       6 points
Every 20 receiving yards       =       1 point
Each receiving TD       =       6 points
Each return TD       =       6 points
Each Off Fum Ret TD       =       6 points
Each 2-point conversion       =       2 points
Each fumble lost       =       -2 points

Kicking statistics and point modifiers:
Field goal 0-19 yards       =       3 points
Field goal 20-29 yards       =       3 points
Field goal 30-39 yards       =       3 points
Field goal 40-49 yards       =       4 points
Field goal 50+ yards       =       5 points
Each extra point       =       1 point

Defensive statistics and point modifiers:
Each sack       =       1 point
Each interception       =       2 points
Each fumble recovery       =       2 points
Each TD       =       6 points
Each safety       =       2 points
Each blocked kick       =       2 points
Shutout       =       10 points
1-6 points allowed       =       7 points
7-13 points allowed       =       4 points
14-20 points allowed       =       1 point
21-27 points allowed       =       0 points
28-34 points allowed       =       -1 points
35+ points allowed       =       -4 points

Thank you Preist Holmes and Trent Green.

Jesus.  Eight rushing TD's for just two Washington backs.  Looks like that was quite a game there for Washington.

Sweet Jesus i just realized i'm up against Den!!!!! :o
Now i am going to lose my 1.000 record.:pissed:

Kansas City, Washington had a bye this week.

Wow, major brain fart there.  Good call.

Damn you and your 9 points Den. It doesnt even give me a .666 win percentage they had to round it to .667.
Is there a team brave enough to defeat the mighty Rusty Trombones?

you've just got to give 110%. take one game at a time and the good lord willing things will work out.

This has been my worst fantasy football season ever.  In 4 leagues, I am a combined 8-16.  I've never finished any lower than fourth in any league I've ever been in.  My Standings so far?
League 1 - 4th
League 2 - 11th
League 3 - 11th
League 4 - 5th

It's gonna be a long season.

I only have a losing record in one of the 5 leagues I'm in. In the league I do at work I beat the last unbeaten team this week. woo hoo! thank you Peyton Manning.

If those points I posted up above are correct, I'm going to end up losing this week by ONE point.  If Manning had just not thrown that interception.....

Thank goodness Ray Lewis will be back for me next week.  Hopefully Corey "No More Tears" Dillon will decide to play again this week too.

WooHoo!  And I pull off the one point victory over Nep to go 4-0 this week!  Holla!

Den your lucky we didn't go head to head this weekend. It would have been your demise. You to Sauza.

Well sure, matchups change everything.  I could have a perfect record if I was matched up with the right people each week....  but that's not how these things go.

I just wish i was matched up with ANYONE but Den last week. I thought i was going to be lucky because Shadys QB would have been pasing to my wide reciever. But my guy got almost no play.

Well last week, Rick (shady) and I were up against each other.  I got 100 something points and he got 90.....  so if you had been up against either of us, you would have lost worse than you did to Den.  Most of the other weeks, though, you'd beat me (and did) or Rick.

there's no real science to this and luck is a huge factor. In the league I'm in at work one guy had the 2nd most points the first 4 weeks and lost every game.

for the first timers, what do you think so far?

Its pretty good. I will definately join up next year.

It's alot better when you are responsible for your own draft as well.  It actually takes a decent amount of research to get a good team that way.

I'm enjoying it a lot.  Den, you were definitely right about it making a lot of the other games I would normally ignore more interesting.  That's what I like most about it.  It gives me more football to care about when my Bengals are horrible year after year.

As for the draft, I was very glad we did it the way we did this time around.  Since this was my first time, it made it a lot easier that Yahoo just auto-picked from the ordered list I made up.  I kinda got screwed by my order since my first four or so WR's were already gone by the time Yahoo got to each of them, but it still made it easier for me to have it auto-pick.  Next season a "normal" draft would be cool to try.

live drafts are a lot of fun. more challenging for sure. this will be a good way for everyone to get a feel for fantasy football and we can do a live draft next year.

trust me, you do fantasy football for a while and you'll be able to name the starters for just about every team off the top of your head. after a while you'll even start to identify them by their fantasy value.

Thank goodness for 106 yard interception returns.  That single play by the Baltimore defense changed my score this week by twelve points.  I hope to the god that doesn't exist that Peyton Manning pulls off a really good game tomorrow.  I can't believe how well Denver and New England did today.....  Yuck.  And what's up with Grahm (Patriots)?  Is he even playing?  I don't think he's had a single reception in several weeks.  I still am in need of serious TE and WR changes.  I just can't seem to get it right at those positions.  All the guys I know will produce are already taken, and since my knowledge of NFL players is still very limited (I'm a Bengals fan, remember?), I have a lot of learning to do.

there are not many tight ends that produce all that much. I'm glad I snagged Antonio Gates, that guy is having a hell of a year.

If all the "money" TE's have been taken then I suggest you pick up a TE who will get you 2 - 3 points a week.
I am in a 20 man league over at digitpress and the lack of talent left is nerve racking.

I was happy to get Chad Lewis :-/ But I did get pretty lucky picking up Randy Moss , David Givens and Anqon Boldin. I think my recieving crew is probably the deepest in the league. Now if I could only have that luck with Running backs. I had McGahee but he wasnt doing anything for the first 4 weeks and I needed a roster spot so I dropped him. Now he is a beast. (Screw you McGahee) :cussing:

Didn't McGahee play at Miami (Florida) the year Ohio State beat them for the national championship?  Or am I thinking of somebody else?

Yeah , thats him. The Bills picked him in last years draft and let him rehab all last year. Now it looks as if it is paying off.

Den, I was looking at the 24 points you got out of Vinatieri this week, wondering how in the hell that was possible from a kicker.  Then I remembered his TD pass.  That's just downright crazy to get 24 points from a kicker in a single game.

that's not something you see everyday.

I have a friend in another league who left Vinaterri on his bench in favor of Mike Vanderjagt this week.  Heh heh, sucks for him.

Vanderjagt was definitely just as important for his team this week, but that would have definitely sucked as far as a fantasy team goes.  Both are great kickers, though.

does that christy girl even check who she is starting?  4 players this week arent playing on her team and thats cause 3 of them have a bye.  but thanks to her i'm not in last place. ;)

It seems to depend on the week.  Last week she did a bunch of research and changed her lineup around a lot.  She actually did pretty well last week.  But, this week (and some others too), she just forgets to check.

Ouch.  I had Farve and Bettis on my bench this week.

6-0! I hung on for a 5 point win this week. woo hoo!

Damn you.  |D

I think my streak ends this week. Nep's lineup looks pretty imposing.

Shit.  I'm up against you?  Agh.  Question for everyone except Den:  Do I put Roethlisberger (up against the all-star Bengals crew.  HA.) or Farve (against Houston) in alongside Manning?  Farve has been scoring more per week than Roethlisberger the last few games, but this week Ben is up against the Bengals.  I'm leaning towards Farve, but I think Ben might have the biggest game of his short NFL career this Sunday.  Decisions, decisions.

seriously?  you have to ask?  Favre... houston is aweful.  the bengals lead the league in takeways.  i score just as many points off the bengals defense as you do with the ravens defense.  

if you start manning and favre i expect Den's streak to be broken.  

plus Ben only throws an average of like 20 times a game.  from what i've been reading lately the steelers are looking a little banged up right now.  tory james leads the NFL with interceptions too.  start favre.

Yeah, good point.  In spite of how awful the Bengals are at a little thing called tackling, they do have a LOT of interceptions, namely from James and O'Neil.  If Ben throws nine touchdowns, though, Rick, I blame you.

lol
you can blame me and i will try to get your points back.  i just want to see Den go down.  
and you have the best shot at it, i think.

pervert!

How do you lose a fantasy game when your QB throws for six touchdowns in a single game?  Your opponent has two of said QB's receivers.

P.S.  What is the purpose of players that can't be dropped?  Jamal Lewis has done jack crap for my team all year.  First he had a bye, then he was suspended for being a moron, then he got injured.  I just want to get rid of him but Yahoo won't let me.  Anyone know what the logic in this rule is?

Two of my receivers (Horn and Jackson) are injured but playing, and with Staley probably coming back this week, I won't be getting as many points (if any) from Bettis.  So, that spot on the roster is a big one.

the purpose of the "can't cut" list is so teams with poor records can't just dump their star players allowing teams still in contention to load up. most leagues have a trade review as well so a Priest Holmes for Artose Pinner trade can't happen.

the logic behind who's on the "can't cut" list is sometimes baffling though. in this case Jamal Lewis is consistently ranked as a top 10 fantasy running back but the circumstances of this season should drop his value and allow him to be cut. but apparently that's not the case.

Got ya.  The logic makes a lot more sense now though.  I guess they just haven't gotten it perfect yet.  Thanks for the explanation.

Bettis won't get as many carries or yards but he'll still be the goal line guy. Staley going to Pittsburgh has rejuvenated the Bus bigtime. At the start of the season he had little fantasy value but I'd guess he's starting for anyone who's got him. My wife is getting huge mileage out of him.

That's the last time I start Farve over Roethlisberger.  Last week he only got me two points more than Ben did, and this week I should LOSE two points because of his awful performance.  On the other hand, I would have scored 16 off of Roethlisberger, a difference of 18.

P.S.  0 points from Bettis.

And yet, you still managed to pummel me.  Hmmmm.

Oopsie.  I totally forgot Pittsburgh was playing today and didn't get to make my lineup changes before the game.  Seems as if it didn't really matter, though.  Pittsburgh is my other defense and I had them out.  They didn't do too well today, but at the same time I now have Baltimore in against Peyton Manning....  so one or the other isn't going to do well.

Yup, I lost this week.  Good job, Anthony.

looks like me and Anthony in the championship game.

Wow i really wasn't expecting to win that match up.

Wow I'm out of the playoffs in all of my leagues.  I definatley need to do something about my fantasy football during the offseason.  I had a horrible year all around.

I missed the playoffs in two leagues, made the final in two others, the fifth I have no idea.

Dillon gave me a good run there at the end, but it wasn't quite enough.  Manning had his worst week of the season, and Favre turned the ball over four times, so that didn't help me too much either.  Ah well.  I had a good time doing this, so next year should be fun.  Maybe somebody will host free NFL Europe fantasy leagues.  I'll be looking.

hey!  everyone is playing this week again!  we all made the playoffs so get ready!

sauza v christy
rusty v izret
shadylanefisters v hands of death (?)

that's the Loser Championship.

bite your tongue! :P
but yes it is.  i let you off easy last week den... you should be thanking me.

injuries have killed the NFL this season.

It's The Murderous Bones.  Come on.  You'll probably beat me.

i dont know what i was thinking.  forgive me

i kinda doubt that i'm going to beat you...  i have players from good teams playing good teams this week.  unless philly and new england decide to rest be fore the playoffs... which i doubt.
we'll have to wait it out to see who gets 3rd place.

care to make a wager on it?  say... panzer dragoon saga for a nice game of yours? :)

Ha.  I'm pretty sure you will beat me, so I'm not going to bet anything.  The main thing is that you have players on your team that will probably cancel out the points some of my players get.  Like Wayne and Harrison for instance - if Manning throws any TD's to them, I effectively lose points since WR's get more points on yards than QB's do.

we've got a high scoring dogfight in the final. I'm up 30 but Anthony's got Torry Holt and Philly's D tonight.

It will be close.

final score: Den 118 - Anthony 96

Rusty Trombones are the inaugural RFG Fantasy Football League Champions!

Congrats Den!  Can't wait to do it again next year!

yeah next year we'll prepare earlier so we can do the full season. we should also shoot for a 10 team league.

Congrats Den.
I really didn't expect to make it this far.

Next year i will trade people too. Kept my original team which didn't work out all that bad.

nice work den.
this was a good time, and next year will be better i think.

maybe in the spring we can get a fantasy baseball league going. that's a little more of an investment in time as far as managing lineup changes go but it's a load of fun.

I'd definitely be up for it, even if I know next to nothing about baseball outside of a few bad players in Cincinnati.  I had a lot of fun with fantasy football, so baseball should be a challenge too.

that's the cool thing about fantasy sports. you end up learning so much about the game, teams and players.

I think it's safe to assume that any of you who went into the first season of RFG Fantasy Football knowing only a handful of players now know at the very least triple that.

do this long enough and you'll also know all the backup quarerbacks and 2nd & 3rd string wide recievers.

Oh, I definitely know more than three times now what I did about the NFL at the beginning of the season.  Since the Bengals have been so bad for so long, it was hard to care much about the league beyond the bare minimum of players on Cincinnati's team and maybe a few Ohio State (and/or Big Ten) alums.  Now I know a whole lot more than that.

Somebody probably should have given you this a while back:

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Congratulations.

It was a proud moment for sure.