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Title: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 04, 2007, 07:15:06 PM
Personally I'll always choose Morrowind. The first time I've ever played the game I was awestruck with the amount of detail, size and scope, dialog and story. Near complete customization of your character, many factions with unique storylines and quests and hundreds of hours of gameplay. The land mass isn't as big as Oblivion technically but it feels twice the size when your in it.

You could spend 100's of hours collecting herbs and materials for alchemy, 100's more exploring every inch of the terrain both land and sea, and more time still doing miscellaneous things like collecting and arranging weapons and armour of which there are dozens of varieties, items of all kinds, trade and commerce, potion creation, spell creation, item enchantment etc etc. That doesn't include the dozens and dozens of quests you can recieve as part of these factions or the main plot-line itself.

All that and more that you can do and pass 500-1000 hours easy if you so wish, then beat the game start another and not have the same experience the second time.

I enjoy Oblivion for it's realism and eye candy, but as Leon said it's a big empty world and feels like it. Arena had allot of innovative features as well and is IMO among the finest pre-3d RPG's made. Daggerfall with it's land mass 160 square kilometers, 750,000 npc's and 15,000 towns was a bit too bland. When you have to tape down your cursor to move forward because your finger's getting sore it's a but ridiculous.  :P

Battlespire and Redguard are good but they stray away from I-IV in terms of gameplay. Also I haven't played the cell versions but I can't imagine using a flip phone as a gaming device for hardcore RPG's would be much fun.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tondog on May 04, 2007, 08:32:09 PM
Is it odd to say that I've never played any of them?


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 04, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
Not really. Until recent years "western" rpg's have taken a back seat to Japanese ones. Arena came out 13 years ago at a time where PC gaming was more hardcore and single-player oriented while the Japanese had the monopoly on console gaming.

Now popularity of RPG's is split down the middle now thanks to devs like Bioware, Bethesda and many others who have rose to prominance in recent years and have proven that good RPG's can come from all over the world.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 04, 2007, 11:13:07 PM
Morrowind definitely. The vanilla game was good, full of content, time consuming, all that stuff. I did think it was far too easy to exploit, e.g. getting your stealth up to max and just lock picking your way into various vaults in that temple town. Then there was Creecher, that was weird.

But the defining factor to Morrowind, for me, was the mods, the mods were wonderful. I had them all, from boosting graphics, to filling the world with new NPCs, making chicks naked when they took off their armor, new dungeons, new islands, new items, mounts, spells, EVERYTHING, it was awesome.

Now I'm sure Oblivion will one day have just as many mods and ends but for now Oblivion is teh suXXorz and lonely and doesn't really appeal to me. Likewise I would never want to play these games on a console because of an absence of user based mods.

I haven't messed with the older games, could never find them.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tynstar on May 04, 2007, 11:31:22 PM
Never played any of them.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: shoes23 on May 05, 2007, 12:36:54 AM
Well I voted for Daggerfall because it is the only one I've played in depth.  I'll have to try out Morrowind since I just got an Xbox, and up until then my PC couldn't handle it. 

Daggerfall had a ton to do, but most of it seemed very repetive after a while.  The create your own weapon, spell, potion, ect. was fun to mess around with, but the game never felt like it had any real purpose.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tondog on May 05, 2007, 10:36:57 AM
Only games I've played by Bioware is MDK and MDK2. That series REALLY needs to make a return.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 05, 2007, 10:46:37 AM
Only games I've played by Bioware is MDK and MDK2. That series REALLY needs to make a return.

Bioware didn't make MDK, only MDK2.  ;)


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tondog on May 05, 2007, 10:58:08 AM
OH YEAH! Shiny did the first one!


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: phoenix1967 on May 05, 2007, 11:18:59 AM
I've played both Morrowind and Oblivion, but I've never had the time to devote to playing them through to the end. I've gotten about 10-12 hours into each of them and that's about it so far.

Haven't played any of the others, so I didn't vote.

Looking forward to Bioware's latest...Mass Effect!


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: ganonbanned on May 05, 2007, 12:39:40 PM
wow, I thought oblivion was far better then morrowind, (without expansions for morrowind), though I havent played knights of nine or shivering isles yet) and im the only person to vote for it?


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 05, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
wow, I thought oblivion was far better then morrowind, (without expansions for morrowind), though I havent played knights of nine or shivering isles yet) and im the only person to vote for it?

Other than the obvious things a newer game has like graphics/sound, what was it about Oblivion that made you choose it over Morrowind?


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: ganonbanned on May 05, 2007, 03:24:12 PM
wow, I thought oblivion was far better then morrowind, (without expansions for morrowind), though I havent played knights of nine or shivering isles yet) and im the only person to vote for it?

Other than the obvious things a newer game has like graphics/sound, what was it about Oblivion that made you choose it over Morrowind?


I thought fighting was alot easier.  I dont know why, but I sucked at fighting in morrowind, which I never got far in.  I also didnt like in morrowind, and didnt notice in oblivion all this mythology crap.  I havent played oblivion as much as morrowind though


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Fira on May 07, 2007, 04:15:38 AM
I also picked Marrowind (please correct me if I misspell, thank you) because my brother plays it alot and I am interested in games.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Fuyukaze on May 07, 2007, 07:22:43 AM
I picked morrowind, but frankly I hated the game.  At first I thought it was beautifull.  The towns and cities felt huge beyond comparison, the magic system, and the scope of the world around it.  It was all so incredable.  Then I got my first dirty disc error.  Checked the disc, nothing.  Then I keep getting more, the game would freeze, and even after they released the platinum edition on the x-box, it kept happening.  I eventualy found out it had much to do with the size of your game's save size, but combine those with the overtly easy ways to exploit the magic and how you could literaly make a walking god, it killed the enjoyment for me.  I tried daggerfall at a friend house a few times, but back then I wasnt able to afford a computer to play it.  By the time I was able to, that game had gone to the wayside long ago, much like the game stonekeep which I refuse to get rid of simply because I want to play the damn thing so much even if I cant due to my comp's OS not playing games that old.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: captain_nintendo on May 07, 2007, 09:30:01 AM
Oblivion. It really is the only game in the series that I have played for a long period of time.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 07, 2007, 12:31:07 PM
I picked morrowind, but frankly I hated the game.  At first I thought it was beautifull.  The towns and cities felt huge beyond comparison, the magic system, and the scope of the world around it.  It was all so incredable.  Then I got my first dirty disc error.  Checked the disc, nothing.  Then I keep getting more, the game would freeze, and even after they released the platinum edition on the x-box, it kept happening.  I eventualy found out it had much to do with the size of your game's save size, but combine those with the overtly easy ways to exploit the magic and how you could literaly make a walking god, it killed the enjoyment for me.  I tried daggerfall at a friend house a few times, but back then I wasnt able to afford a computer to play it.  By the time I was able to, that game had gone to the wayside long ago, much like the game stonekeep which I refuse to get rid of simply because I want to play the damn thing so much even if I cant due to my comp's OS not playing games that old.

PC > X-Box


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: phoenix1967 on May 07, 2007, 02:50:47 PM
The Morrowind GOTY edition solved the freeze up issues on the Xbox version.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 07, 2007, 03:22:03 PM
The Morrowind GOTY edition solved the freeze up issues on the Xbox version.

I wish...... :P

It fixed many many problems, but many problems still exist including freeze-ups. Not as bad as it was but bad enough that preventative steps need to be taken.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 07, 2007, 09:57:54 PM
Like throwing your X-Box off the nearest cliff and plugging Morrowind into your PC.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 07, 2007, 11:43:33 PM
Like throwing your X-Box off the nearest cliff and plugging Morrowind into your PC.

True enough. Except of course the fact that in 20 years I'll break out a fresh new Xbox from storage and play these games all over again, I wish I could say the same with the PC version, even games less than 10 years old are getting harder to run on XP/Vista.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: DefaultGen on May 08, 2007, 04:32:30 PM
I dunno, for it's time Morrowind was probably the best.  I played it the most.  Oblivion was awesome but the story was dumbed down a bit too much.  I voted for Daggerfall just because it rocks so hard except for the horrible controls :)


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 08, 2007, 10:05:33 PM
Like throwing your X-Box off the nearest cliff and plugging Morrowind into your PC.

True enough. Except of course the fact that in 20 years I'll break out a fresh new Xbox from storage and play these games all over again, I wish I could say the same with the PC version, even games less than 10 years old are getting harder to run on XP/Vista.

PC gamers don't see 20 years down the road. By then we'll have been killed by our overexposure to computer screens.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 15, 2007, 11:11:28 AM
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[img width=700 height=560]http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i32/LordofNothing/racers.jpg[/img]

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Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tan on May 15, 2007, 01:31:16 PM
Nice  :laugh:

At the same time a constant invisibility enchantment takes care of both of those pics  ;)


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: The Metamorphosing Leon on May 15, 2007, 03:29:25 PM
I think I had a mod that severely reduced, or possibly eliminated, the numbers of those fucking things.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Marriott_Guy on May 17, 2007, 01:57:24 PM
Being a new member here, I missed this poll, but my vote would have been cast for Morrowind.  I agree with many of the comments that have been thus far, including the opinion that Oblivion was 'dumbed down' a bit.  The graphics of Oblivion are awesome, and I have played through it a few times and all the DLC and Shivering Isles.  Though my experience with Oblivion was great, overall I found Morrowind to be better. 

The fighting in Oblivion was definitely improved, but having a 'radar' that visually depicted on your map areas of interest that were approaching killed a great aspect of Morrowind - the element of surprise and enthusiasm when finding a new location.  The 'fast travel' option in Oblivion was nice, but a happy medium could have been forged with the tedious method of boat/bug/guild travel in Morrowind. 

The side quests in MW were better as well - in originality as well as quantity.  The expansion packs including in the GOTY edition absolutely rocked as well (bring back the werewolves!).

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Best of the Elder Scrolls series
Post by: Tynstar on May 17, 2007, 03:24:45 PM
You can still vote.