US Election 2008

[Funk_Buddy]

Anyway, I'll drop the subject now because at the time of writing my last post I wasn't fully realising I'm not speaking to a European audience but a (mostly) North American one which holds very different beliefs about the whole guns subject than me. I'm sorry to all of you who I might have offended.

I don't think you offended anyone. I feel the same way every time I post something pro gun on a board that's got an international membership. It can come down to something as simple as if you've never had them you'll never miss them attitude.

[BadEnoughDude]

Do you realize that you've posted 700 times in less than 2 months? That's sort of a shocking amount...

Yes, I've realised. I don't think that's a bad thing, an active forum draws in people while an inactive one makes people look for other grounds.

700 posts might be alot here but is commonplace on other boards. I think people like Tynstar and Izret will certainly have done their share of posting back when they were still active.

Besides, it's not like I post single-word posts or smiley-posts all the time. It'll go down anyway once school starts for me (the 22nd)

I just realized that my post might have sounded a little malicious. I'm sorry about that!

[Shimra]

Why is Obama supposedly going to win in a landslide? That makes no sense if you look at any of the recent poll numbers.

And it was an unbelievably strategic move having McCain choose Palin as VP. Why? Because she is a woman. Stupid people will vote for him simply because Palin is a woman. A hot woman. Just like how Obama will have stupid people vote for him because he is African American.

But here's my personal political view point.

Obama--> super insane liberal to the point of near socialism.
John McCain--> John McClane

Obvious choice here.

[Shimra]

Holy ****, if there was a commercial for McCain that said vote McCain and showed this picture that'd be the single most badass thing ever. Look how freaking badass McCain is! He looks like a freaking movie star...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...iew_on_April_24,_1974.jpg

[Tan]

Holy ****, if there was a commercial for McCain that said vote McCain and showed this picture that'd be the single most badass thing ever. Look how freaking badass McCain is! He looks like a freaking movie star...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...iew_on_April_24,_1974.jpg

Taken only a month or so after his long visit with Charlie, he still looks haunted and ragged in that picture.

[Shimra]

Oh and honestly I'm not really fully supportive of McCain; I'd prefer if he won due to Obama's far left disposition. Then again if Obama won I wouldn't really mind either. I'd just prefer if Obama didn't win.

[tholly]

To start, I am registered with no party affiliation.

Watched the debate:

Total debate time: 90 minutes

Time Biden took control:  83 minutes
Time Palin uttered something that almost made some semblance of sense:  2 minutes


In all honesty, if Palin ends up in the White House, I will strongly consider starting to look for jobs in Canada.

Biden was prepared, well-versed, experienced and clearly answered the questions that were being asked.
Palin was shaky, dodged answering questions, talked like a common person, but didn't say anything useful.



I hope people are able to see past the whole "Protector of Joe 6-Pack" bit.  I don't want my vice president (possibly president at some point)  to be an unexperienced Joe Nobody.  I want someone in the White House that has real know-how and experience.

And, if I hear the word "Maverick" one more time before the election, I will scream.

[two_scoop_steve]

maverick!!

[tholly]

maverick!!

Funny guy....

(screaming ensues...)




To be fair to Palin, could Bidin have just once maybe opened his eyes and looked at the camera?

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

To start, I am registered with no party affiliation.

Watched the debate:

Total debate time: 90 minutes

Time Biden took control:  83 minutes
Time Palin uttered something that almost made some semblance of sense:  2 minutes


In all honesty, if Palin ends up in the White House, I will strongly consider starting to look for jobs in Canada.

Biden was prepared, well-versed, experienced and clearly answered the questions that were being asked.
Palin was shaky, dodged answering questions, talked like a common person, but didn't say anything useful.



I hope people are able to see past the whole "Protector of Joe 6-Pack" bit.  I don't want my vice president (possibly president at some point)  to be an unexperienced Joe Nobody.  I want someone in the White House that has real know-how and experience.

And, if I hear the word "Maverick" one more time before the election, I will scream.

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin have held public office for nearly the same amount of time, only Palin has actually been the leader of a whole state whereas Obama has been a senator. So it looks to me like Palin has more validity to be PRESIDENT than Obama, only that she is not going to be PRESIDENT unless some calamity occurs.

Neither one is fit to run the country in my opinion, but at least one is only the backup.

As far as the debate goes I would call it a draw, which I would never have done prior to it. Biden should have been able to smash Palin into a goo but the inane policies of Obama drug him down and all he did was poke and jab at Bush the whole time. Palin kept her composure, smiled a lot, and managed to set the tone for Biden. I was impressed, she's had some practice since that God awful Couric interview.

[tholly]

To start, I am registered with no party affiliation.

Watched the debate:

Total debate time: 90 minutes

Time Biden took control:  83 minutes
Time Palin uttered something that almost made some semblance of sense:  2 minutes


In all honesty, if Palin ends up in the White House, I will strongly consider starting to look for jobs in Canada.

Biden was prepared, well-versed, experienced and clearly answered the questions that were being asked.
Palin was shaky, dodged answering questions, talked like a common person, but didn't say anything useful.



I hope people are able to see past the whole "Protector of Joe 6-Pack" bit.  I don't want my vice president (possibly president at some point)  to be an unexperienced Joe Nobody.  I want someone in the White House that has real know-how and experience.

And, if I hear the word "Maverick" one more time before the election, I will scream.

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin have held public office for nearly the same amount of time, only Palin has actually been the leader of a whole state whereas Obama has been a senator. So it looks to me like Palin has more validity to be PRESIDENT than Obama, only that she is not going to be PRESIDENT unless some calamity occurs.

Neither one is fit to run the country in my opinion, but at least one is only the backup.

As far as the debate goes I would call it a draw, which I would never have done prior to it. Biden should have been able to smash Palin into a goo but the inane policies of Obama drug him down and all he did was poke and jab at Bush the whole time. Palin kept her composure, smiled a lot, and managed to set the tone for Biden. I was impressed, she's had some practice since that God awful Couric interview.

To answer your comment that was removed, I am no communist or socialist.....I just don't feel the need to follow a party strictly.

On to the topic at hand....

Well, even though their time in office was similar, Barack's time was far more impressive.  Wasilla, Alaska, town where Palin was mayor only has ~5,550 citizens, and, even if every single citizen was 18 and voted, that is only 5,500 supporters.  Barack was in the Illinois State Senate during this same time period.  Number of people he represented....far more than 5,500 (he received ~46,000 votes to get that position.) 

To compare their recent gigs:

2006 Palin (Governor) - 114,697 votes (48%)
2004 Obama (Senate)  - 3,597,456 votes (70%)
sources: www.elections.alaska.gov & www.elections.illinois.gov

So, if you do some calculations comparing population served to years in office, Barack blows Palin out of the water.....they are not even on the same level. 

Barack and McCain rather than Barack and Palin are on the same level.....both senators.  Sure McCain has been there longer ( I won't argue his experience ), but they are on equal levels position wise. 

Not one of these candidates is fit to lead the country, but at least with Barack et al, we would have 2 fairly qualified candidates.  McCain and Palin, I'd say we'd have 1.5 qualified candidates.


On to the debate.....

I would call it a resounding Biden win, but to each his own.  Biden chose not to smash Palin because he was a gentlemen that did not feel the need to get rude and insulting against his opponent that he obviously has a much higher amount of world knowledge over.  Would Biden look better being courteous or making snide remarks.....I think he made the smart choice.  Also, I would say he took far more jabs at McCain than he did at Bush, but I don't have an exact count to support that. 

Palin seemed nervous, shaky, stuttered and lost her wording way to much, made numerous linguistic and grammatical errors.  Quick question....what political qualifications does Palin's ability to smile provide her?  She seemed very practiced, to the point of sounding scripted and unable to come up with her own thoughts and answers.  I want to hear what Palin thinks, not what McCain's writers think.

Finally, I take insult in the term "Protector of Joe 6-pack".  Why does Palin feel the need to reduce all voters to poor, stupid drunks who stop by the Quickie Mart every day, buy a six pack, drink till drunk, and pass out?

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

To start, I am registered with no party affiliation.

Watched the debate:

Total debate time: 90 minutes

Time Biden took control:  83 minutes
Time Palin uttered something that almost made some semblance of sense:  2 minutes


In all honesty, if Palin ends up in the White House, I will strongly consider starting to look for jobs in Canada.

Biden was prepared, well-versed, experienced and clearly answered the questions that were being asked.
Palin was shaky, dodged answering questions, talked like a common person, but didn't say anything useful.



I hope people are able to see past the whole "Protector of Joe 6-Pack" bit.  I don't want my vice president (possibly president at some point)  to be an unexperienced Joe Nobody.  I want someone in the White House that has real know-how and experience.

And, if I hear the word "Maverick" one more time before the election, I will scream.

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin have held public office for nearly the same amount of time, only Palin has actually been the leader of a whole state whereas Obama has been a senator. So it looks to me like Palin has more validity to be PRESIDENT than Obama, only that she is not going to be PRESIDENT unless some calamity occurs.

Neither one is fit to run the country in my opinion, but at least one is only the backup.

As far as the debate goes I would call it a draw, which I would never have done prior to it. Biden should have been able to smash Palin into a goo but the inane policies of Obama drug him down and all he did was poke and jab at Bush the whole time. Palin kept her composure, smiled a lot, and managed to set the tone for Biden. I was impressed, she's had some practice since that God awful Couric interview.

To answer your comment that was removed, I am no communist or socialist.....I just don't feel the need to follow a party strictly.

On to the topic at hand....

Well, even though their time in office was similar, Barack's time was far more impressive.  Wasilla, Alaska, town where Palin was mayor only has ~5,550 citizens, and, even if every single citizen was 18 and voted, that is only 5,500 supporters.  Barack was in the Illinois State Senate during this same time period.  Number of people he represented....far more than 5,500 (he received ~46,000 votes to get that position.) 

To compare their recent gigs:

2006 Palin (Governor) - 114,697 votes (48%)
2004 Obama (Senate)  - 3,597,456 votes (70%)
sources: www.elections.alaska.gov & www.elections.illinois.gov

So, if you do some calculations comparing population served to years in office, Barack blows Palin out of the water.....they are not even on the same level. 

Barack and McCain rather than Barack and Palin are on the same level.....both senators.  Sure McCain has been there longer ( I won't argue his experience ), but they are on equal levels position wise. 

Not one of these candidates is fit to lead the country, but at least with Barack et al, we would have 2 fairly qualified candidates.  McCain and Palin, I'd say we'd have 1.5 qualified candidates.


On to the debate.....

I would call it a resounding Biden win, but to each his own.  Biden chose not to smash Palin because he was a gentlemen that did not feel the need to get rude and insulting against his opponent that he obviously has a much higher amount of world knowledge over.  Would Biden look better being courteous or making snide remarks.....I think he made the smart choice.  Also, I would say he took far more jabs at McCain than he did at Bush, but I don't have an exact count to support that. 

Palin seemed nervous, shaky, stuttered and lost her wording way to much, made numerous linguistic and grammatical errors.  Quick question....what political qualifications does Palin's ability to smile provide her?  She seemed very practiced, to the point of sounding scripted and unable to come up with her own thoughts and answers.  I want to hear what Palin thinks, not what McCain's writers think.

Finally, I take insult in the term "Protector of Joe 6-pack".  Why does Palin feel the need to reduce all voters to poor, stupid drunks who stop by the Quickie Mart every day, buy a six pack, drink till drunk, and pass out?

Hehe, sorry about the communist thing, I removed it on second thought.

Population served is one thing, duties to that population are another. So Obama serves more people, but as a senator, not THE leader. His duties are different, he does not oversee the management of his state to the same degree that a governor does. Palin has, to say it stupidly: been the president of Alaska. Obama has been one of two senators representing Illinois, hence had different, although I am sure honorable, duties.

Again, though, neither one has near enough experience.

Upon pondering the debate it was simply inane dribble like always. Hardly any policies were discussed and all it seemed to be was a jab-fest. The winner of it is going to be whoever we personally want it to be I suppose.

[tholly]

To start, I am registered with no party affiliation.

Watched the debate:

Total debate time: 90 minutes

Time Biden took control:  83 minutes
Time Palin uttered something that almost made some semblance of sense:  2 minutes


In all honesty, if Palin ends up in the White House, I will strongly consider starting to look for jobs in Canada.

Biden was prepared, well-versed, experienced and clearly answered the questions that were being asked.
Palin was shaky, dodged answering questions, talked like a common person, but didn't say anything useful.



I hope people are able to see past the whole "Protector of Joe 6-Pack" bit.  I don't want my vice president (possibly president at some point)  to be an unexperienced Joe Nobody.  I want someone in the White House that has real know-how and experience.

And, if I hear the word "Maverick" one more time before the election, I will scream.

Barack Obama and Sarah Palin have held public office for nearly the same amount of time, only Palin has actually been the leader of a whole state whereas Obama has been a senator. So it looks to me like Palin has more validity to be PRESIDENT than Obama, only that she is not going to be PRESIDENT unless some calamity occurs.

Neither one is fit to run the country in my opinion, but at least one is only the backup.

As far as the debate goes I would call it a draw, which I would never have done prior to it. Biden should have been able to smash Palin into a goo but the inane policies of Obama drug him down and all he did was poke and jab at Bush the whole time. Palin kept her composure, smiled a lot, and managed to set the tone for Biden. I was impressed, she's had some practice since that God awful Couric interview.

To answer your comment that was removed, I am no communist or socialist.....I just don't feel the need to follow a party strictly.

On to the topic at hand....

Well, even though their time in office was similar, Barack's time was far more impressive.  Wasilla, Alaska, town where Palin was mayor only has ~5,550 citizens, and, even if every single citizen was 18 and voted, that is only 5,500 supporters.  Barack was in the Illinois State Senate during this same time period.  Number of people he represented....far more than 5,500 (he received ~46,000 votes to get that position.) 

To compare their recent gigs:

2006 Palin (Governor) - 114,697 votes (48%)
2004 Obama (Senate)  - 3,597,456 votes (70%)
sources: www.elections.alaska.gov & www.elections.illinois.gov

So, if you do some calculations comparing population served to years in office, Barack blows Palin out of the water.....they are not even on the same level. 

Barack and McCain rather than Barack and Palin are on the same level.....both senators.  Sure McCain has been there longer ( I won't argue his experience ), but they are on equal levels position wise. 

Not one of these candidates is fit to lead the country, but at least with Barack et al, we would have 2 fairly qualified candidates.  McCain and Palin, I'd say we'd have 1.5 qualified candidates.


On to the debate.....

I would call it a resounding Biden win, but to each his own.  Biden chose not to smash Palin because he was a gentlemen that did not feel the need to get rude and insulting against his opponent that he obviously has a much higher amount of world knowledge over.  Would Biden look better being courteous or making snide remarks.....I think he made the smart choice.  Also, I would say he took far more jabs at McCain than he did at Bush, but I don't have an exact count to support that. 

Palin seemed nervous, shaky, stuttered and lost her wording way to much, made numerous linguistic and grammatical errors.  Quick question....what political qualifications does Palin's ability to smile provide her?  She seemed very practiced, to the point of sounding scripted and unable to come up with her own thoughts and answers.  I want to hear what Palin thinks, not what McCain's writers think.

Finally, I take insult in the term "Protector of Joe 6-pack".  Why does Palin feel the need to reduce all voters to poor, stupid drunks who stop by the Quickie Mart every day, buy a six pack, drink till drunk, and pass out?

Hehe, sorry about the communist thing, I removed it on second thought.

Population served is one thing, duties to that population are another. So Obama serves more people, but as a senator, not THE leader. His duties are different, he does not oversee the management of his state to the same degree that a governor does. Palin has, to say it stupidly: been the president of Alaska. Obama has been one of two senators representing Illinois, hence had different, although I am sure honorable, duties.

Again, though, neither one has near enough experience.

Upon pondering the debate it was simply inane dribble like always. Hardly any policies were discussed and all it seemed to be was a jab-fest. The winner of it is going to be whoever we personally want it to be I suppose.

Good points.  I suppose this argument would go on forever if we continued it. 

My opinion is Senator of an important, highly populous state is more important than a state that I personally feel the US could have done without, but to each his own.

Tuesday's debate should be interesting however (sarcasim.....it will probably just be a repeat of last Fridays...)

[Sirgin]

Good points.  I suppose this argument would go on forever if we continued it. 

My opinion is Senator of an important, highly populous state is more important than a state that I personally feel the US could have done without, but to each his own.

Tuesday's debate should be interesting however (sarcasim.....it will probably just be a repeat of last Fridays...)

I understand (and agree) with both your points but I'd just like to add that, in the end, you have to look at the persons themselves to see whether they might be capable to be president, not just what the highest position is they have held.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is governer of an "important, highly populous state" (using tholly's words)  but does that immediately make him a good president?

[tholly]

Good points.  I suppose this argument would go on forever if we continued it. 

My opinion is Senator of an important, highly populous state is more important than a state that I personally feel the US could have done without, but to each his own.

Tuesday's debate should be interesting however (sarcasim.....it will probably just be a repeat of last Fridays...)

I understand (and agree) with both your points but I'd just like to add that, in the end, you have to look at the persons themselves to see whether they might be capable to be president, not just what the highest position is they have held.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is governer of an "important, highly populous state" (using tholly's words)  but does that immediately make him a good president?

Yea, but how can you beat the Governator!  Just having that nickname should make you more than qualified to be president (baring the fact that he was not US born...)