US Election 2008

[Sirgin]

I was pretty disappointed in the Biden selection.  How do you run on a platform of "Change" and then pick someone who has been part of the problem for 35 years as a running-mate.  I understand the political reasons for picking him, it just seems to deviate from his message so far. 

I understand what you're saying but (comparing to Palin) atleast Biden is a real politician. And who knows, maybe this guy is fed up with the same problems and actually wants change. It could be, right?

[Sirgin]

A really, really funny song about Sarah Palin - Sarah Palin lookalike included!

You might want to consider skipping the first minute, he starts with an over-the-top rant aimed at Mccain. The song follows after that, enjoy!



Please don't take this too seriously, I didn't made the video and I don't want to say something with it

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

If you are at all conservative for the love of God don't vote for Obama because you think he represents "change." Of course, if you lean to the left well...God help you see the err of your ways.

Obama's politics are so far left it isn't funny. He is an absolute socialist and with 3-4 Supreme Court seats going to be up for grabs in the next 4-8 years I'll be damned if I vote for him because he's young and looks different. His running mate seals it, all you can expect is more of the same bullshit they've been screwing our country up with since F.D.R. God bless the great man.

If Obama is elected I am buying a gun THAT day--he'll be fucking with our right to protect ourselves before you know it. Likewise you can expect tax hikes, more expensive gas, and a general ignorance towards the rights of the individual as "we" attempt to move our country towards Obama's "change."

[Sirgin]

Obama's politics are so far left it isn't funny. He is an absolute socialist

He ain't that left.

Besides, he wants change; he wants more nuclear power plants to make the US independant from Middle Eastern oil. If that would succeed, expect the US military to leave the area because the only reason they're there is to control the oil anyway (oh yea, "terrorists" too) making the world a safer place once again. Now if that isn't change, I don't know what is.

F.D.R. God bless the great man.

"relief, recovery and reform" 

If Obama is elected I am buying a gun THAT day--he'll be fucking with our right to protect ourselves before you know it.

That's a good thing. There's so much violence in your country because everyone owns guns.
If you can't grab to a gun in the heat of an arguement, it's less likely people will die....never thought about that

And I know what you're saying: "gangsters will always have guns, legal or not". That's true, the problem is everyone has guns there and can find them much too easily when they don't.
I myself have never seen a gun in real life (except maybe a police officer's one) and can't think of anyone I know that has a gun.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

[Tan]

If Obama is elected I am buying a gun THAT day--he'll be fucking with our right to protect ourselves before you know it.

That's a good thing. There's so much violence in your country because everyone owns guns.
If you can't grab to a gun in the heat of an arguement, it's less likely people will die....never thought about that

And I know what you're saying: "gangsters will always have guns, legal or not". That's true, the problem is everyone has guns there and can find them much too easily when they don't.
I myself have never seen a gun in real life (except maybe a police officer's one) and can't think of anyone I know that has a gun.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

I'm sorry but that's an ill-informed assumption. It's easy to blame the guns for everyone's problems, that way you don't have to deal with the real issues that cause violence. Consider that the U.K. has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and consider these figures:

Recent UN stats clearly demonstrate that no correlation exists between the levels of licensed gun ownership and homicides:

Canada - 1.5 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 31.5)
UK - 1.4 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 5.6)
Switzerland - 0.9 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 46.0)

It's interesting to note that Canada has nearly 6 times as many firearms per head of population than the UK but yet the homicide rate is almost the same. The Swiss example demonstates the point even further, with nearly twice as many firearms as Canada per head of population and 8 times as many as the UK, Switzerland's homicide rate is nearly half that of Canada's and the UK's.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

No, stupidity makes life more dangerous. By that rationale cars, butter knives and baseball bats are more dangerous because there are a lot more kids with bats, bad drivers and clumsy fools hurting themselves than people shooting each other. But it doesn't make as glamorous a news story as a gun killing spree though does it?

A weapon is what my government paid me to carry to protect my country when I became a man. A gun is a tool or piece of sporting equipment that I've occasionally hunted with and enjoyed shooting sports with since I was 9 or 10 years old. Never confuse the two or assume that a firearm is the root of all evil, statistics, history and common sense paint the real picture.

I apologize if this was off-topic or a rant, but the use of the word weapon is both ignorant and shows bias against a portion of the population for their views and beliefs. That bias is what's destroying one of my favorite hobbies and passions that is more important than even gaming because if every gun is a "weapon", then responsible gun owners such as myself are cornered into defending our hobby from misinformed so called democrats who believe in free will as long as it's "their" will. I wade through enough red tape to just own these without people assuming I'm a murderer because I like to go clay shooting on the weekend.

[logical123]

If Obama is elected I am buying a gun THAT day--he'll be fucking with our right to protect ourselves before you know it.

That's a good thing. There's so much violence in your country because everyone owns guns.
If you can't grab to a gun in the heat of an arguement, it's less likely people will die....never thought about that

And I know what you're saying: "gangsters will always have guns, legal or not". That's true, the problem is everyone has guns there and can find them much too easily when they don't.
I myself have never seen a gun in real life (except maybe a police officer's one) and can't think of anyone I know that has a gun.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

I'm sorry but that's an ill-informed assumption. It's easy to blame the guns for everyone's problems, that way you don't have to deal with the real issues that cause violence. Consider that the U.K. has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and consider these figures:

Recent UN stats clearly demonstrate that no correlation exists between the levels of licensed gun ownership and homicides:

Canada - 1.5 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 31.5)
UK - 1.4 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 5.6)
Switzerland - 0.9 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 46.0)

It's interesting to note that Canada has nearly 6 times as many firearms per head of population than the UK but yet the homicide rate is almost the same. The Swiss example demonstates the point even further, with nearly twice as many firearms as Canada per head of population and 8 times as many as the UK, Switzerland's homicide rate is nearly half that of Canada's and the UK's.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

No, stupidity makes life more dangerous. By that rationale cars, butter knives and baseball bats are more dangerous because there are a lot more kids with bats, bad drivers and clumsy fools hurting themselves than people shooting each other. But it doesn't make as glamorous a news story as a gun killing spree though does it?

A weapon is what my government paid me to carry to protect my country when I became a man. A gun is a tool or piece of sporting equipment that I've occasionally hunted with and enjoyed shooting sports with since I was 9 or 10 years old. Never confuse the two or assume that a firearm is the root of all evil, statistics, history and common sense paint the real picture.

I apologize if this was off-topic or a rant, but the use of the word weapon is both ignorant and shows bias against a portion of the population for their views and beliefs. That bias is what's destroying one of my favorite hobbies and passions that is more important than even gaming because if every gun is a "weapon", then responsible gun owners such as myself are cornered into defending our hobby from misinformed so called democrats who believe in free will as long as it's "their" will. I wade through enough red tape to just own these without people assuming I'm a murderer because I like to go clay shooting on the weekend.

I don't think it was off topic. I happen to agree with you 100%. Guns are a means of defending, and can be a social experience as well. I have gone shooting before, and it was nothing short of amazing.

Now, for Obama being far left. What the f**k. The end.

Almost 99% of politicians are in the TOP RIGHT quadrant of the political spectrum. They may float around a bit in that square, but you CAN'T call someone FAR LEFT that isn't even CLOSE to the left square. Hell, Ron Paul is more "Extreme" than most of the politicians out there. Obama is not far left, and McCain isn't even that FAR RIGHT. So with all of this political bullshit, I say to hell with it. They both have their own sets of thinking and ways of handling the same issues. End of Story.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

If Obama is elected I am buying a gun THAT day--he'll be fucking with our right to protect ourselves before you know it.

That's a good thing. There's so much violence in your country because everyone owns guns.
If you can't grab to a gun in the heat of an arguement, it's less likely people will die....never thought about that

And I know what you're saying: "gangsters will always have guns, legal or not". That's true, the problem is everyone has guns there and can find them much too easily when they don't.
I myself have never seen a gun in real life (except maybe a police officer's one) and can't think of anyone I know that has a gun.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

I'm sorry but that's an ill-informed assumption. It's easy to blame the guns for everyone's problems, that way you don't have to deal with the real issues that cause violence. Consider that the U.K. has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and consider these figures:

Recent UN stats clearly demonstrate that no correlation exists between the levels of licensed gun ownership and homicides:

Canada - 1.5 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 31.5)
UK - 1.4 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 5.6)
Switzerland - 0.9 homicides/100,000 people (No. of firearms owned/100 people 46.0)

It's interesting to note that Canada has nearly 6 times as many firearms per head of population than the UK but yet the homicide rate is almost the same. The Swiss example demonstates the point even further, with nearly twice as many firearms as Canada per head of population and 8 times as many as the UK, Switzerland's homicide rate is nearly half that of Canada's and the UK's.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

No, stupidity makes life more dangerous. By that rationale cars, butter knives and baseball bats are more dangerous because there are a lot more kids with bats, bad drivers and clumsy fools hurting themselves than people shooting each other. But it doesn't make as glamorous a news story as a gun killing spree though does it?

A weapon is what my government paid me to carry to protect my country when I became a man. A gun is a tool or piece of sporting equipment that I've occasionally hunted with and enjoyed shooting sports with since I was 9 or 10 years old. Never confuse the two or assume that a firearm is the root of all evil, statistics, history and common sense paint the real picture.

I apologize if this was off-topic or a rant, but the use of the word weapon is both ignorant and shows bias against a portion of the population for their views and beliefs. That bias is what's destroying one of my favorite hobbies and passions that is more important than even gaming because if every gun is a "weapon", then responsible gun owners such as myself are cornered into defending our hobby from misinformed so called democrats who believe in free will as long as it's "their" will. I wade through enough red tape to just own these without people assuming I'm a murderer because I like to go clay shooting on the weekend.

Exactly, disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people. During the 20th century government genocide killed 170,000,000 people. Yet not one gun control proposal would disarm government troops rather than their civilian victims. Maybe the founding fathers were a bunch of gun nuts, but it seems to me that Colonial America was able to break the yoke of the British because they had the arms to support a war. A government should never be able to control its people if its people desire to be uncontrollable.

"... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

- Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, see Jefferson On Democracy, 20 (S. Padover
ed. 1939).

Now, for Obama being far left. What the f**k. The end.

Almost 99% of politicians are in the TOP RIGHT quadrant of the political spectrum. They may float around a bit in that square, but you CAN'T call someone FAR LEFT that isn't even CLOSE to the left square. Hell, Ron Paul is more "Extreme" than most of the politicians out there. Obama is not far left, and McCain isn't even that FAR RIGHT. So with all of this political bullshit, I say to hell with it. They both have their own sets of thinking and ways of handling the same issues. End of Story.

You are exactly the problem with politics in this country. You look at these men from some base plateau but never know what you're talking about. Explain to me how Obama's politics are not bordering on fascism, if not utter stupidity. Have you read his energy policy?

Do so:

http://obama.3cdn.net/003...f3b7e0a7fe3_w0kdmvrq8.pdf

He plans to tax oil companies and give the money to the poor. *cough* socialism *cough* What will this bring? Oil companies will have no incentive to increase the supply of oil, prices will rise higher than ever and there will be gas shortages. And all that money that was given to the poor? It will be used up to pay for the more expensive fuel. Not to mention all those other points in the policy that will show us, the middle class, taxed up the wazoo--just ask yourself where the money is coming from for that 25 billion dollar highway bill. The policy is quite literally inane. He says all of this flashy stuff to pander to his supporters and yet it's nonsense that, if enacted, could see this country lying in ruins.

[Funk_Buddy]

Besides, he wants change; he wants more nuclear power plants to make the US independant from Middle Eastern oil. If that would succeed, expect the US military to leave the area because the only reason they're there is to control the oil anyway (oh yea, "terrorists" too) making the world a safer place once again. Now if that isn't change, I don't know what is.

The problem with that logic is we don't use oil to generate power here, coal and hydro sure. It transportation that uses all the oil.

And I know what you're saying: "gangsters will always have guns, legal or not". That's true, the problem is everyone has guns there and can find them much too easily when they don't.
I myself have never seen a gun in real life (except maybe a police officer's one) and can't think of anyone I know that has a gun.

Weapons don't protect you...they make life more dangerous for you. Think about that.

That's ok, if guns are somehow banned they'll just turn (some) law abiding citizens into criminals too.

[Sirgin]

I apologize if this was off-topic or a rant, but the use of the word weapon is both ignorant and shows bias against a portion of the population for their views and beliefs. That bias is what's destroying one of my favorite hobbies and passions that is more important than even gaming because if every gun is a "weapon", then responsible gun owners such as myself are cornered into defending our hobby from misinformed so called democrats who believe in free will as long as it's "their" will. I wade through enough red tape to just own these without people assuming I'm a murderer because I like to go clay shooting on the weekend.

Your rant isn't off-topic, it makes perfect sense to me

I can imagine sport hunters feeling attacked when badly spoken about guns in general, for that I'm sorry. I'm 100% fine with sane people who have passed a hunters exam of some sorts to posses guns.

However, I do believe that any gun is a potential lethal weapon (except water guns); even those meant for hunting (if it can kill an animal, it'll probably be able to do the same to a human, right?)

No, stupidity makes life more dangerous. By that rationale cars, butter knives and baseball bats are more dangerous because there are a lot more kids with bats, bad drivers and clumsy fools hurting themselves than people shooting each other. But it doesn't make as glamorous a news story as a gun killing spree though does it?

That's completely true, however please see the difference between objects that are meant to cause destruction/kill and those that don't. I know that there's more deaths caused by car accidents than shootouts but those car accidents usually don't happen on purpose while pulling the trigger of a gun is (except when it's by accident) a very conscious action.

When stupidity rules with guns nearby the outcome can be much worse than when they aren't. And because the US government is so loose about who can buy a gun, there's alot of stupid people around who posses one. That's all I wanted to say, ok?


Anyway, I'll drop the subject now because at the time of writing my last post I wasn't fully realising I'm not speaking to a European audience but a (mostly) North American one which holds very different beliefs about the whole guns subject than me. I'm sorry to all of you who I might have offended.

[logical123]

Leon, I have already said to hell with democracy is earlier posts (I think...). The way our government is set up has almost ALWAYS bordered so called Fascism or what ever. I do know Obama's policy, and I know McCain's too. They both suck, end of story. I say vote Tom Day as a write-in. He is my grandmother's neighbor and has some of the most amazing ideas ever. If you don't want Obama OR McCain, vote TOM DAY for PRESIDENT!!!

[BadEnoughDude]

You are exactly the problem with politics in this country. You look at these men from some base plateau but never know what you're talking about. Explain to me how Obama's politics are not bordering on fascism, if not utter stupidity. Have you read his energy policy?

Pardon me for interrupting, but can you really be "what's wrong with politics" if you aren't even old enough to vote?

Just an observation.

[Sirgin]

You are exactly the problem with politics in this country. You look at these men from some base plateau but never know what you're talking about. Explain to me how Obama's politics are not bordering on fascism, if not utter stupidity. Have you read his energy policy?

Pardon me for interrupting, but can you really be "what's wrong with politics" if you aren't even old enough to vote?

Just an observation.

I think he was aiming at Logical's way of thinking about politics in general rather than whether he can vote or not.

[BadEnoughDude]

You are exactly the problem with politics in this country. You look at these men from some base plateau but never know what you're talking about. Explain to me how Obama's politics are not bordering on fascism, if not utter stupidity. Have you read his energy policy?

Pardon me for interrupting, but can you really be "what's wrong with politics" if you aren't even old enough to vote?

Just an observation.

I think he was aiming at Logical's way of thinking about politics in general rather than whether he can vote or not.

Do you realize that you've posted 700 times in less than 2 months? That's sort of a shocking amount...

[Sirgin]

Do you realize that you've posted 700 times in less than 2 months? That's sort of a shocking amount...

Yes, I've realised. I don't think that's a bad thing, an active forum draws in people while an inactive one makes people look for other grounds.

700 posts might be alot here but is commonplace on other boards. I think people like Tynstar and Izret will certainly have done their share of posting back when they were still active.

Besides, it's not like I post single-word posts or smiley-posts all the time. It'll go down anyway once school starts for me (the 22nd)

[TraderJake]

Hey, we encourage an active community. I personally am happy that we actually have more than one active European member on the site.