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Lord Nepenthean
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« on: March 28, 2005, 04:06:07 PM »

Seriously, Sony need to pull their heads out of their asses and stop with Blu-Ray.  I personally think it's pretty freaking stupid to make a new disc format at all, but if we must, the backwards-compatible and cheaper HD DVD format would be soooooo much better.  Sony is angering me more by the day.  It doesn't help now that Apple has jumped on the badwagon of Blu-Ray support.

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Apple Computer Backs Blu-Ray DVD Format
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TOKYO - Apple Computer Inc. is supporting the Blu-ray format for next-generation DVDs, giving it a boost over a rival format known as HD-DVD in the competition over setting a new standard for recording high-definition video and other digital information.

Both technologies promise more storage capacity and enhanced video quality over current DVDs, including the ability to record high-definition video. Both can be used to store movies, games, photos and other digital information.

Apple, which makes Macintosh (news - web sites) computers and iPod portable music players, will become a member of the board of directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association, the consortium that supports and promotes the Blu-ray format, it said in a statement.

Other members of the Blu-ray alliance include Japanese electronics makers Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news) (news - web sites). and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Dell Inc., Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. and The Walt Disney Co.

The rival HD-DVD format is backed by Japan's Toshiba Corp., NEC Corp. and others.

Backers of Blu-ray say it is superior because it has a higher storage capacity, while supporters of HD-DVD say it is more compatible with current DVD technology and is less costly to make.

The winner of the standards battle stands to gain from patent royalties.

Apple, based in Cupertino, Calif., recently introduced high-definition editing capability in its iMovie HD software.

Apple chief executive Steve Jobs (news - web sites) said consumers who are already creating their own high-definition content want to be able to record it on high-definition DVDs.

"Apple is pleased to join the Blu-ray Disc Association board as part of our efforts to drive consumer adoption of HD," Jobs said in a statement.


Nevermind the fact that Toshiba has recently come out with a disc format that can both be read on current machines and allow for HD-DVD capabilities on one two-layered disc.

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New DVD Has Dual-Layered Surface

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TOKYO - Two Japanese companies said Tuesday they have developed a DVD that can play on both existing machines and the upcoming high-definition players, raising hopes for a smooth transition as more people dump old TV sets for better screens.

Toshiba Corp. and Memory-Tech Corp. said their disc has a dual-layered surface that can store both types of data on the same side.

For consumers, that would eliminate the potential headache of having to own two types of DVD players: Both will be able to read such discs, though only the newer equipment can take advantage of the higher-resolution technology.

The discs, which took six months to develop, will be able to hold 4.7 GB in the current format and 15 GB in high resolution, Memory-Tech spokesman Masato Otsuka said.

Making the discs won't cost any more than the companies now spend on producing current DVDs, Otsuka said.

The new DVDs rely on the HD-DVD format, which has the backing of the DVD Forum, an international association of electronics makers and movie studios. New DVD players using the format are expected to hit stores by late 2005.

Its competitor, Blu-Ray, is backed by Sony Corp., its Hollywood studio and News Corp.'s Fox Entertainment Group Inc. Blu-Ray has more storage space, but HD-DVD is expected to be cheaper to produce because its technology closely resembles current DVDs.

It's still unclear which will become the dominant technology.


Man, Sony makes me mad sometimes.  Next thing you know they'll make their own electronic media format and their own tape format, and only support those.  Oh, wait.....
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2005, 04:33:42 PM »

HD dvd makes me mad. It carries a lot less information than blue ray and if I eventually get a burner for either of those for my pc, I want the one that can back up the most data.

If future blu ray players are being manufactured, they can easily put in an extra lens to read dvd's. by that time dvd lenses should be cheap enough not to be a financial burden. Isn't it the same with cd and dvd players now? Anyways, I think backwards compatibility shouldn't stand in the way of technological advancement.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2005, 05:07:28 PM »

Blu-Ray may carry more data, but who the hell really needs more?  DVD's can fit up to 15 GB of data.  That's more than enough.  I'm quite certain that HD DVD's will have the capacity for more than enough data for high-def movies.  After that, what more do you need?  Super-Duper Ultra Silver Platinum with Diamonds Special 25th Anniversary High Definition Editions of your movies?  Come on.  Really, the new formats are both stupid, but realistically I think most consumers will be more interested in a cheaper format that is backwards-compatible, especially since the new two-layer discs will be able to play on current machines too, requiring NO update at all.  "Technological advancement" has spawned tons of useless crap, and in my opinion, practicality MUST be kept in mind.  Blu-Ray is not as practical as HD DVD.  Personally though, I don't really have any interest in either of them.  Whichever format you favor, a media war is pretty dumb.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 05:17:21 PM »

We WILL need more in the future. When we started out a card was just fine, then we got floppies, zipdiscs, cd's, dvd's. Technology will move forward and I prefer this to happen with steps as big as possible.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2005, 05:35:26 PM »

But, technology is going to reach a point at which higher definition and bigger files will no longer matter, since the human eye will not actually be able to tell a difference.  Look ate DVD Audio discs and those Surround Sound CD's....  Two formats that absolutely nobody but tech freaks noticed, because realistically the difference in quality is negligible if even noticeable.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2005, 05:45:55 PM »

Maybe we'll get bigger and bigger screens, which allow for more and more detail. Maybe we'll then get this in 3d with images. Maybe later holograms. And if you want to save downloaded DATA it matters wether you can put a 100 movies or 80 movies on a disc.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2005, 06:08:43 PM »

Okay, here's more reasons that both of these formats are totally stupid:

http://www.optware.co.jp/english/what_040823.htm

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Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling existing discs the same size as today's DVDs to store as much as one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD). This approach is rapidly gaining attention as a high-capacity, high-speed data storage technology for the age of broadband.
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