Confirmed: Sex minigame in PS2 San Andreas

[CatchFiveBats]

I downloaded a video of the "Hot Coffee" mod on PC off some gaming site last night.

*Evil Leon's description goes here*

As for my opinion of it, Grand Theft Auto is not that good looking of a game in the first place, so I really don't see the appeal of something like this, but it's still there and it is pretty graphic (At least on PC.  I don't know about PS2.).  I can understand why the ESRB is flipping out about this.  This IS adults-only material, and therefore should not be easily accessible to people who are not mature enough to be viewing this kind of stuff (Of course, take a look around the internet for a while and you'll see that ANYTHING is easily accessible now.).  Either way, hopefully this isn't dragged out for too long, because frankly, I'm getting tired of hearing about it.

Anyway, I was at Mcvan's yesterday, and these guys came in and bought GTA: San Andreas (Yes, they were 18.).  As they were walking out, I could hear them talking about how they were going to buy an action replay and access Hot Coffee right when they got home.  It's a sad, sad world we live in...

[Lord Nepenthean]

Let's think about this, people.  M rated games are for people SEVENTEEN AND UP.  AO rated games are for people EIGHTEEN AND UP.  Get over it.  It's one fucking year.  There really shouldn't even be a distinction.  One of the two ratings should never have been created.

For more on how ridiculous this still is, go here: http://www.thebestpageint...et/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell

[CatchFiveBats]

To me, it's not so much the age difference in the ratings as the fact that an AO rating has more leverage than an M rating when it comes to selling the game to minors.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

I was thinkin. Since all the gaming stores have to clear out their used San An's does that mean we should be checking dumpsters?

[Izret101]

No
They will have to ship them back to Rockstar at Rockstars expense i believe.

Although i could be wrong.
But they would not allow thousands of working extremely popular games get thrown into the garbage.
These arn't copies of E.T. you know.

[Sauza12]

No
They will have to ship them back to Rockstar at Rockstars expense i believe.

Yeah, they are just going to slap an AO sticker on all of the boxes and ship them back out.  I also heard that they are going to make another run of the game that has this bit of code taken out.

I've been thinking about all of this for a while, and I've come up with the following opinions.

Both Rockstar and Congress should be slapped in the face and sat in the corner.

First off is the obvious choice, Congress.  The fact that you need a device that is meant to manipulate a games code to access this horribly offensive material should not be reason enough to give this game the equivilant of an X-rating.  I don't think that giving it this rating is that bad, but the stink they are raising over this is f-ing retarded.  I am going to go f-ing apeshit if I hear "it's for the children" one more God-Damned time.  BLAME THE PARENTS YOU PHENOMENAL DIMWIT!!!!

On to Rockstar.  Frankly, this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.  What was the point in leaving this code in?  Were they trying to prove how big and cool they were?  "We're unique rebels and we're gonna do whatever we want in our game because we answer to no one.  Neener neener neeeneerrrr."  Well congratulations fuckstick, you've given the entire industry a black eye.  Leaving that code in accomplished nothing and was completely unneccesary.  All this did was make it easier for guys like Jack Thompson to spout off about the evils of video games.  I don't care if it is not accessible without the use of the Gameshark, that shit is just not done.  It is very amatuerish with not even a hint of professionalism anywhere near this steaming pile.  Rockstar should be ashamed of themselves.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

Yeah, they are just going to slap an AO sticker on all of the boxes and ship them back out.  I also heard that they are going to make another run of the game that has this bit of code taken out.

I've been thinking about all of this for a while, and I've come up with the following opinions.

Both Rockstar and Congress should be slapped in the face and sat in the corner.

First off is the obvious choice, Congress.  The fact that you need a device that is meant to manipulate a games code to access this horribly offensive material should not be reason enough to give this game the equivilant of an X-rating.  I don't think that giving it this rating is that bad, but the stink they are raising over this is f-ing retarded.  I am going to go f-ing apeshit if I hear "it's for the children" one more God-Damned time.  BLAME THE PARENTS YOU PHENOMENAL DIMWIT!!!!

On to Rockstar.  Frankly, this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen.  What was the point in leaving this code in?  Were they trying to prove how big and cool they were?  "We're unique rebels and we're gonna do whatever we want in our game because we answer to no one.  Neener neener neeeneerrrr."  Well congratulations fuckstick, you've given the entire industry a black eye.  Leaving that code in accomplished nothing and was completely unneccesary.  All this did was make it easier for guys like Jack Thompson to spout off about the evils of video games.  I don't care if it is not accessible without the use of the Gameshark, that shit is just not done.  It is very amatuerish with not even a hint of professionalism anywhere near this steaming pile.  Rockstar should be ashamed of themselves.

Now that's a nice rant. Very well done.

So they'll even ship back the used copies?

[Sauza12]

*bows*
Thank you!

I think they are just recalling the new games.  I'm not sure what they are doing with the used games.  Maybe they'll just ship out some AO stickers to retailers to put on used copies.

[The Metamorphosing Leon]

Yeah that sounds right. It was weird being in EB yesterday, the PS2 section was definitely missing something without it's two hundred copies of San An sitting there.

[Izret101]

I know a few of the loacl dealers here who i doubt are going to bother shipping it back out.
They will just make note of the rating change to anyone who buys the game if they even do that.

[Lord Nepenthean]

I went over to the Evil Leon's last night with my Action Replay Max in hand.  We entered the codes and got the minigame to work.  It was utterly lame, and certainly not something to get as excited about as this.  There is absolutely NO NUDITY in the PlayStation 2 version of the game.  I have a very strong feeling that the guy who made the mod for the PC version of the game added a skin.

Also, does anyone remember The Guy Game?  That game has REAL nude women in it, and one of them is even under the age of 18.  Its rating?  M for Mature.  San Andreas rating with no pixelated nudity?  AO. How stupid.

EDIT: I totally forgot to mention BMX XXX.  There's another one that I'm totally floored about.  If there's anything that makes the ESRB worthless, it's that they can't be consistent.

[Mike Leon]

For the record, Nep couldn't satisfy her. I had to grab the controller from him and finish the job like a real man.

P.S. BMX XXX gives me a headache if I play it for more than 10 minutes. I pretty sure it's also the only current-generation game Gamestop has ever sold NEW for $10.

[Tynstar]

For the record, Nep couldn't satisfy her. I had to grab the controller from him and finish the job like a real man.

[Izret101]

Also, does anyone remember The Guy Game?  That game has REAL nude women in it, and one of them is even under the age of 18.  Its rating?  M for Mature.  San Andreas rating with no pixelated nudity?  AO. How stupid.

EDIT: I totally forgot to mention BMX XXX.  There's another one that I'm totally floored about.  If there's anything that makes the ESRB worthless, it's that they can't be consistent.

Excellent points.
The ESRB is relatively useless.
It seems that they only are bothing to target major games if you remember both of those sucked.
GTA is a huge selling series with much more influence.

[Mike Leon]

I went on a rant a while ago about the ESRB's overall worthlessness.
http://basementofdoom.net...torials/esrb/ratings.html