Turbo Duos?!?!!?!!?!

[Izret101]

WTF is with these consoles?
We have
SuperGraffix
TurboDuo
Turbo Graffix 16
Turbo Graffix CD

Listed in the database.
But when games get submit for these systems they are generally listed with one or more of the consoles.

What the hell is up with these systems?
Were they all compatible with eachother?
Were they released in quick sucssion with newer models being backwards compatible and older models being semi forwards compatible?

I need some info on these things.

[Tynstar]

I believe the SuperGraffix is the Japanese one. The Dou is combo of the 16 and CD. The 16 and CD is like the Genesis and the Sega CD.

I think.

[bum-man]

I don't know about the SuperGraffix but the other stuff Tynstar said sounds about right.  I know there was also a Japanese version called PC Engine and a portable in the US named Turbo Express, just to add a bit more to the mix.  And then sometimes you see references to HU-Card which was the name of the card format the game (the non-cd ones that is)

[Tynstar]

Isnt the Super Graffix Japanese version of the  TurboDuo ?

[blissfulnoise]

The original release was the TurboGraphx-16/PC Engine.  It played HuCards only.  Eventually the PC Engine/TurboGraphx-16 CD-ROM2 and the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 (this didn't see a release stateside) were released as add-ons for it.  They played CD-ROM games and Super CD-ROM games respectively.

To play Super CD-ROM2 games, you'd need a Super System Card.  This would go in the HuCard slot.  The TurboDuo and the PC Engine Duo had this built in.

In order to play Arcade CD-ROM2 games, you needed an Arcade Card.  They were still PC Engine CD games though, not a new system.  This was not built into the Duo systems thus Duos still needed the Arcade Card to play them.

The TurboDuo/PC Engine Duo didn't allow you to play any new/exclusive games, but just put everything into one nice compact package (short of the Arcade Card).  Thus, it's not really its own system.

In short, all TG16/PCE games can fall under two categories for the sake of ultimate clarity.  PC Engine HuCards and PC Engine CD-ROMs.  If you wanted to get more technical, you could break it down to HuCards, CD-ROMs, Super CD-ROMs, and Arcade CD-ROMs.

The games that were marked Duo on the packaging stateside were done because they were Super CD-ROM2 games and were unplayable on the regular TG-16 CD consoles, thus making consumers purchase a Duo to play them.  The alternative was to buy a PC Engine with a Super CD-ROM2 drive with a System Card.

Is it no wonder it wasn't a success in the states?

The SuperGraphx, however, is its own console.  No equivalent came out in the US.  It still utilized the HuCard media, and was backwards compatible with PC Engine HuCards, but it had only 7 unique games made for it that are only playable on a SuperGraphx.  It also supported the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 as an add-on.  Think of it as the next iteration of the PC-Engine that just didn't take off.

Also, the spelling of the systems in my post should be the correct ones.  Also, PC Engine CD-ROM2 would be pronounced "CD-ROM-ROM", and not "CD-ROM Two"

[Tynstar]

The original release was the TurboGraphx-16/PC Engine.  It played HuCards only.  Eventually the PC Engine/TurboGraphx-16 CD-ROM2 and the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 (this didn't see a release stateside) were released as add-ons for it.  They played CD-ROM games and Super CD-ROM games respectively.

To play Super CD-ROM2 games, you'd need a Super System Card.  This would go in the HuCard slot.  The TurboDuo and the PC Engine Duo had this built in.

In order to play Arcade CD-ROM2 games, you needed an Arcade Card.  They were still PC Engine CD games though, not a new system.  This was not built into the Duo systems thus Duos still needed the Arcade Card to play them.

The TurboDuo/PC Engine Duo didn't allow you to play any new/exclusive games, but just put everything into one nice compact package (short of the Arcade Card).  Thus, it's not really its own system.

In short, all TG16/PCE games can fall under two categories for the sake of ultimate clarity.  PC Engine HuCards and PC Engine CD-ROMs.  If you wanted to get more technical, you could break it down to HuCards, CD-ROMs, Super CD-ROMs, and Arcade CD-ROMs.

The games that were marked Duo on the packaging stateside were done because they were Super CD-ROM2 games and were unplayable on the regular TG-16 CD consoles, thus making consumers purchase a Duo to play them.  The alternative was to buy a PC Engine with a Super CD-ROM2 drive with a System Card.

Is it no wonder it wasn't a success in the states?

The SuperGraphx, however, is its own console.  No equivalent came out in the US.  It still utilized the HuCard media, and was backwards compatible with PC Engine HuCards, but it had only 7 unique games made for it that are only playable on a SuperGraphx.  It also supported the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 as an add-on.  Think of it as the next iteration of the PC-Engine that just didn't take off.

Also, the spelling of the systems in my post should be the correct ones.  Also, PC Engine CD-ROM2 would be pronounced "CD-ROM-ROM", and not "CD-ROM Two"

And that ladies and gentlemen is why the GT-16 bombed in the US market.  

[yap]

It's worth owning either a TG16+CD Rom or Turbo Duo if for nothing else than Y's 1 and 2.

[Izret101]

After reading that i now know why there is so much confusion for these systems.
I am 100% up for their removal from the database

blissful thanks alot for that clarification.

EDIT
Also i am surprised noone said anything about this:

But when games get submit for these systems they are generally listed with one or more of the consoles.

[shaggy]

The original release was the TurboGraphx-16/PC Engine.  It played HuCards only.  Eventually the PC Engine/TurboGraphx-16 CD-ROM2 and the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 (this didn't see a release stateside) were released as add-ons for it.  They played CD-ROM games and Super CD-ROM games respectively.

To play Super CD-ROM2 games, you'd need a Super System Card.  This would go in the HuCard slot.  The TurboDuo and the PC Engine Duo had this built in.

In order to play Arcade CD-ROM2 games, you needed an Arcade Card.  They were still PC Engine CD games though, not a new system.  This was not built into the Duo systems thus Duos still needed the Arcade Card to play them.

The TurboDuo/PC Engine Duo didn't allow you to play any new/exclusive games, but just put everything into one nice compact package (short of the Arcade Card).  Thus, it's not really its own system.

In short, all TG16/PCE games can fall under two categories for the sake of ultimate clarity.  PC Engine HuCards and PC Engine CD-ROMs.  If you wanted to get more technical, you could break it down to HuCards, CD-ROMs, Super CD-ROMs, and Arcade CD-ROMs.

The games that were marked Duo on the packaging stateside were done because they were Super CD-ROM2 games and were unplayable on the regular TG-16 CD consoles, thus making consumers purchase a Duo to play them.  The alternative was to buy a PC Engine with a Super CD-ROM2 drive with a System Card.

Is it no wonder it wasn't a success in the states?

The SuperGraphx, however, is its own console.  No equivalent came out in the US.  It still utilized the HuCard media, and was backwards compatible with PC Engine HuCards, but it had only 7 unique games made for it that are only playable on a SuperGraphx.  It also supported the PC Engine Super CD-ROM2 as an add-on.  Think of it as the next iteration of the PC-Engine that just didn't take off.

Also, the spelling of the systems in my post should be the correct ones.  Also, PC Engine CD-ROM2 would be pronounced "CD-ROM-ROM", and not "CD-ROM Two"

What he said.