Add Onlive to the database?

[blcklblskt]

^You can buy games separately as well.  That being said, I don't think it belongs in the database.

[Izret101]

Oh well if you can buy the games and play them whenever you want for the life of the service i guess they can go in.

Also there have been murmured rumors of digital only being split into its own section...

Fingers crossed.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

Oh well if you can buy the games and play them whenever you want for the life of the service i guess they can go in.

Also there have been murmured rumors of digital only being split into its own section...

Fingers crossed.

Sandbox fix required first. After that, it's not TOO much work to split...

[Tynstar]

There are 2 Onlive games in the submission queue right now.

[blcklblskt]

Why are we adding these?  Onlive games are not download to your computer, only streamed.  You simply purchase a license to use the software from Onlive's servers.  As much as I don't consider Steam games part of a collection, they are at least downloaded to your computer.  I think they should be added as software.

[Link41]

Unfortunately if we don't get a little more flexible with digital games, we will fall behind other sites collection tools. Regardless of alienating the older members here, this change is going to have to happen down the road for rfgen to stay relevent in the DB market.

[Tynstar]

Unfortunately if we don't get a little more flexible with digital games, we will fall behind other sites collection tools. Regardless of alienating the older members here, this change is going to have to happen down the road for rfgen to stay relevent in the DB market.

Ugh and we have. We have said before how many download only things we have in the Db. But the key is they are DOWNLOADED games not STREAMED games.

[techwizard]

Unfortunately if we don't get a little more flexible with digital games, we will fall behind other sites collection tools. Regardless of alienating the older members here, this change is going to have to happen down the road for rfgen to stay relevent in the DB market.

Ugh and we have. We have said before how many download only things we have in the Db. But the key is they are DOWNLOADED games not STREAMED games.

i agree streaming is a lot different. it would be like counting youtube videos as part of your movie collection.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

Unfortunately if we don't get a little more flexible with digital games, we will fall behind other sites collection tools. Regardless of alienating the older members here, this change is going to have to happen down the road for rfgen to stay relevent in the DB market.

Well aware. We also need new members to stay relevant in the DB market.

[NES_Rules]

I don't care for OnLive, but I think it does have its place in the DB. Sure, you're not buying an actual game, just a license. But every game you buy, that's what you're really paying for, is the license. The cartridge/disc is just how its accessible to the consumer.
You're paying for the ability to play a game, its really no different than downloading one off Steam, except its just loaded on some other computer in another part of the world.

I think the real question is, what happens when the OnLive service gets shut off? Inevitably it will cease to exist, whether its a year from now or 30 years from now. When that happens, do we remove it from the DB? Since no one will be able to "own" the games anymore, there's no point in having them in collections. But it would be a part of our duty to retain the information that these games did once exist for future generations.

[Shadow Kisuragi]

Steam...the gateway console.

[blcklblskt]

I think the real question is, what happens when the OnLive service gets shut off? Inevitably it will cease to exist, whether its a year from now or 30 years from now. When that happens, do we remove it from the DB? Since no one will be able to "own" the games anymore, there's no point in having them in collections. But it would be a part of our duty to retain the information that these games did once exist for future generations.

Exactly.  You can't own the game.  I see no reason to add them to the database.

[Izret101]

Also there have been murmured rumors of digital only being split into its own section...

Fingers crossed.

As soon as any digital service goes down the games are essentially unpurchaseable and will also be unredownlodable in a matter of time if not immediately(neither of those words are real. Shame...). XBLA and PSN already have delisted games but since the service i still up AFAIK in all instances you can redownload the game even if no one else can still buy it. I HIGHLY doubt that will be the case for these games in coming years.

BUT:
If they go into a separate collection folder people who own the digital games can still track them to their hearts content:

-We can still have a record of their existence. Since they are still games and we are THE classic and MODERN video games database. If all digital items break off into their own trackable DB i see no reason why we could not include iOS and WP and whatever other goofy download only gaming mediums we have been passing on for the last few years. That being said no one has ever complained about the iQue being in the DB

-And the people who want to completely ignore anything that is a non physical medium can do so.

[techwizard]

I think the real question is, what happens when the OnLive service gets shut off? Inevitably it will cease to exist, whether its a year from now or 30 years from now. When that happens, do we remove it from the DB? Since no one will be able to "own" the games anymore, there's no point in having them in collections. But it would be a part of our duty to retain the information that these games did once exist for future generations.

Exactly.  You can't own the game.  I see no reason to add them to the database.

i still agree with this and don't support the idea of adding streaming games, but we have to remember that every digital distribution system will be gone someday. it's not a release type that's a credible thing to collect. but i do like the idea of recording it in a separate database while they're still around. i think a really good suggestion (imo) would be to have a way to make a digital system as "retired" or something like that. so, like NES_Rules said, we could still be a service that retains information about these systems/games, but at the same time have a way to show people that they're not available anymore. maybe make it so games in those retired systems are unable to be added to people's collection lists.

[Tynstar]

I made up a game in my head. What section of the Db should I add it to? It was an idea for a video game so it should be added.